Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[pathfinder73]

I was not able to locate your cite following the link provided ... but I did locate it here ... http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2007/09/specialized-k-9-to-aid-in-georgia.html
Hardly unprejudiced as far as the promotion of Eddie and Keela are concerned   🙄

Missing for nearly 6 months when Eddie was sent for!

Eddie The Crime Dog To Help In Hunt For Missing 911 Dispatcher

FBI Recruits Expert, K-9 From UK
Thursday, September 13, 2007

A dog who is trained to find human remains has been brought in from the United Kingdom to help in the search for Theresa Parker, the Walker County 911 operator who has been missing for almost six months.

FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies.

Walker County Sheriff Steve Wilson introduced Mr. Grimes and Eddie at a press conference in LaFayette on Thursday afternoon.

He said the search for Ms. Parker is "very active and ongoing."

Sheriff Wilson said the only "person of interest" remains Ms. Parker's husband, former LaFayette Police Sgt. Sam Parker.

Mr. Grimes, who said he is retired after 30 years with the UK Police, said Eddie is trained "to locate human remains - whole or in part."

He said he and Eddie plan to remain in LaFayette until this phase of the investigation is complete.

He declined to specify where or when they would be searching.

Director Parrish said the case has been declared "high priority" by the FBI and an agent has been assigned fulltime to it.

He said K-9s were used in April on the search and that "was very valuable to us." He said, "We have completed that phase and we are evolving into another phase."

Sheriff Wilson said in this phase, "We will go to areas that are of interest to us."

Mr. Grimes said he will be utilizing "a method we have used successfully in the UK."

https://www.chattanoogan.com/2007/9/13/113261/Eddie-The-Crime-Dog-To-Help-In-Hunt.aspx

[Mr Gray]

"when the baby seat in the lane case was wrapped in brown paper morse failed to alert...of course the fact Grime couldnt see it when it was wrapped may have had something to do with it"

He said he couldn't see it even when it was partially opened.

he had been shown the package...he knew what it looked like. In sils post the dog smelt the scent through cling film...morse couldnt detect it through brown paper...thats a red flag to me

[Mr Gray]

Missing for nearly 6 months when Eddie was sent for!

Eddie The Crime Dog To Help In Hunt For Missing 911 Dispatcher

FBI Recruits Expert, K-9 From UK
Thursday, September 13, 2007

A dog who is trained to find human remains has been brought in from the United Kingdom to help in the search for Theresa Parker, the Walker County 911 operator who has been missing for almost six months.

FBI Regional Director John Parrish said Martin Grimes and his English springer spaniel Eddie are some of the best in the world at finding bodies.

Walker County Sheriff Steve Wilson introduced Mr. Grimes and Eddie at a press conference in LaFayette on Thursday afternoon.

He said the search for Ms. Parker is "very active and ongoing."

https://www.chattanoogan.com/2007/9/13/113261/Eddie-The-Crime-Dog-To-Help-In-Hunt.aspx

did he find her...eddie usually finds nothing ata ll from what i can see ....PDl...jersey....lane....but Grime insists hes correct...i just dont believe it

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

nor was any contraband in the form of human remains recovered.

  there was no forensic proof for the intelligence supplied by Eddie.

Aside from the human cellular material sent to the FSS lab for analysis. Of course there was no conclusive "proof" that all the contributors were corpses - but given Eddie's success at scenting corpses there is certainly a degree of likelihood that some of the human cellular material may well have come from a dead body. Could some of this cellular material have come from Madeleine McCann? As we know the limitations of the FSS's methods at that time led them to conclude that the results were "too complex to allow for a meaninful interpretation"

In their report: https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.

Why - ...

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. it's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles. "  ( https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm )

[Mr Gray]

Aside from the human cellular material sent to the FSS lab for analysis. Of course there was no conclusive "proof" that all the contributors were corpses - but given Eddie's success at scenting corpses there is certainly a degree of likelihood that some of the human cellular material may well have come from a dead body. Could some of this cellular material have come from Madeleine McCann? As we know the limitations of the FSS's methods at that time led them to conclude that the results were "too complex to allow for a meaninful interpretation"

In their report: https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

A complex LCN DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section 286C 2007 CRL10 (2) area 2. Within the DNA profile of Madeline McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. At one of the areas of DNA we routinely examine Madeleine has inherited the same DNA component from both parents; this appears therefore as 1 peak rather than 2, hence 19 rather than 20. Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion.

Why - ...

Well lets look at the question that is being asked

"Is there DNA from Madeline on the swab "

It would be very simple to say "yes" simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample.

What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine and legitimate; because Madeline has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeline merely appears to match the result by chance. The individual components in Madeline's profile are not unique to her, it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeline's profile are also present within the the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. it's important to stress that 50% of Madeline's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. Namely, we cannot separate the components out into 3 individual DNA profiles. "  ( https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm )

what success does eddie have in scenting corpses..prior to PDL i think it was one verification in 5 years....
no corpses in pDL and none in Jersey

[pathfinder73]

did he find her...eddie usually finds nothing ata ll from what i can see ....PDl...jersey....lane....but Grime insists hes correct...i just dont believe it

Eddie was shown in court in that case to help convict the husband and Theresa Parker's body was later found 30 miles away from where Eddie searched and alerted to cadaver scent. Eddie found nothing? To you unsurprisingly but not the police!

[Mr Gray]

Eddie was shown in court in that case to help convict the husband and Theresa Parker's body was later found 30 miles away from where Eddie searched and alerted to cadaver scent. Eddie found nothing? To you unsurprisingly but not the police!

Do you have a cite... Eddie found nothing in pdl... Nothing in Jersey... Nothing in Detroit

[The General]

Do you have a cite... Eddie found nothing in pdl... Nothing in Jersey... Nothing in Detroit

Why always dissin the dogs, fam?
Dogs is well class.

[Robittybob1]

I asked what was found...your post has no relevance to the question

It doesn't matter IMO as it hasn't been raised in court.

[Mr Gray]

Eddie was shown in court in that case to help convict the husband and Theresa Parker's body was later found 30 miles away from where Eddie searched and alerted to cadaver scent. Eddie found nothing? To you unsurprisingly but not the police!

This is from the Parker case..


During lengthy cross-examination Grime said there is no evidence to show Eddie smelled anything incriminating against or linked to Mr. Parker. Like Higgins, Grime said cadaver dogs can only prove useful when there is other evidence that corroborates the dog's "hits."

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

what success does eddie have in scenting corpses..prior to PDL i think it was one verification in 5 years....
no corpses in pDL

The FBI had a great deal of faith in Eddie's ability. "No corpses in PDL" - well certainly not a complete one but you are speculating if you claim with certainty that the human material tested by the FSS only came from living persons. In my opinion that is highly doubtful given the dogs ability to alert to human blood and cadaver odour.

The FSS said the results were too complex to allow for a meaningful interpretation. Until samples (or the data) are tested by more advanced science that is the only conclusion we can draw i.e we can't be certain that the cellular material was (or wasn't) from the corpse of Madeleine McCann.

[Mr Gray]

The FBI had a great deal of faith in Eddie's ability. "No corpses in PDL" - well certainly not a complete one but you are speculating if you claim with certainty that the human material tested by the FSS only came from living persons. In my opinion that is highly doubtful given the dogs ability to alert to human blood and cadaver odour.

The FSS said the results were too complex to allow for a meaningful interpretation. Until samples (or the data) are tested by more advanced science that is the only conclusion we can draw i.e we can't be certain that the cellular material was (or wasn't) from the corpse of Madeleine McCann.

The only certain thing is we don't know...You are speculating

[Mr Gray]

It doesn't matter IMO as it hasn't been raised in court.

We know what Eddie found... Fact

[Mr Gray]

Eddie was shown in court in that case to help convict the husband and Theresa Parker's body was later found 30 miles away from where Eddie searched and alerted to cadaver scent. Eddie found nothing? To you unsurprisingly but not the police!

You need to provide a cite... I think you are totally mistaken so let's see your cite

As Rob is reading this thread I'm sure he will insist on a cite

[Mr Gray]

This is from the Parker case..


During lengthy cross-examination Grime said there is no evidence to show Eddie smelled anything incriminating against or linked to Mr. Parker. Like Higgins, Grime said cadaver dogs can only prove useful when there is other evidence that corroborates the dog's "hits."

So in the Parker case Eddie found nothing again... He's certainly  reliable at finding nothing


But eddie did manage to alert 30 miles from where the body was eventually found... What a great help that was

30 miles is practically spot on