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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #345 on: July 02, 2019, 10:04:55 PM »
The dog didn't find the body
So? Everyone went home happy. Success.
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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #346 on: July 02, 2019, 10:05:44 PM »
The dig is trained to detect evidence... According to grime...
Evidence of evidence, if you want to split hairs. Good enough for me. Good enough for law enforcement and families of bereaved.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #347 on: July 02, 2019, 10:06:23 PM »
The dog didn't find the body

And that is of no surprise to anyone but you being 30 miles away from where Eddie searched. The police will be taking Eddie and Keela alerts very seriously!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #348 on: July 02, 2019, 10:08:13 PM »
Dogs are only if any real use when they find evidence
Eddie found the body of Attracta Harron.. Well done Eddie

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #349 on: July 02, 2019, 10:09:57 PM »
And that is of no surprise to anyone but you being 30 miles away from where Eddie searched. The police will be taking Eddie and Keela alerts very seriously!
Of course they will... They will have a good look to see if the digs have detected any evidence

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #350 on: July 02, 2019, 10:11:36 PM »
Dies anyone here know what EVRD means... In relation to dogs... It describes eddies role

Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #351 on: July 02, 2019, 10:13:43 PM »
Dies anyone here know what EVRD means... In relation to dogs... It describes eddies role
Nope, sorry. Not a clue. Looks like those letters might stand for something.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #352 on: July 02, 2019, 10:19:18 PM »
Repeat after me "The cadaver dog is trained to find odours not evidence nor objects".
No the dog detected the odour of the corpse, not the corpse.

Not according to Grime... Grime said the dog located the body.. I think Grime knows best

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #353 on: July 02, 2019, 10:21:05 PM »
Dies anyone here know what EVRD means... In relation to dogs... It describes eddies role

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.)

He has additionally trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of 'cadaver scent' odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact the subject. This method is comparable to the simulation of cross contamination. It does however differ in that the remote scent samples recovery does not involve subject matter and therefore is a 'pure' scent sample.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #354 on: July 02, 2019, 10:24:43 PM »
'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.)

He has additionally trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of 'cadaver scent' odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact the subject. This method is comparable to the simulation of cross contamination. It does however differ in that the remote scent samples recovery does not involve subject matter and therefore is a 'pure' scent sample.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So Eddie is a victim recovery dog... His training is to recover victims... Or parts of victims

Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #355 on: July 02, 2019, 10:26:22 PM »
Not according to Grime... Grime said the dog located the body.. I think Grime knows best
Technically he's right, although you quote out of context.
The dog alerted to Tetramethylethylenediamine or Pentanediamine atoms discharged from the body, atoms which previously belonged to the body, therefore the dog alerted to the body.
I think Grime knows best.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #356 on: July 02, 2019, 10:28:51 PM »
Technically he's right, although you quote out of context.
The dog alerted to Tetramethylethylenediamine or Pentanediamine atoms discharged from the body, atoms which previously belonged to the body, therefore the dog alerted to the body.
Glad you graciously concede Grime is right... Good of me to defend him...

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #357 on: July 02, 2019, 10:32:09 PM »
The dig is trained to detect evidence... According to grime...
I'll try again.  Repeat after me "The cadaver dog is trained to find odours not evidence nor objects".
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #358 on: July 02, 2019, 10:33:40 PM »
I'll try again.  Repeat after me "The cadaver dog is trained to find odours not evidence nor objects".

You can try the same thing as many times as you like... According to Einstein that's the definition of insanity

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #359 on: July 02, 2019, 10:44:29 PM »
It might be fanciful in your opinion but not in mine... The dogs are trained to find evidence... What good have the alerts been this case... No help whatsoever

They have been helpful. They have indicated to a team of forensic investigators that there are certain areas where they may find samples of interest. Guess what? That's exactly what they did find! It's  not the dogs fault that the limited FSS methods at the time found the evidence "too complex" to allow for meaningful interpretation.