Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Mr Gray]

I would accept it as circumstantial evidence but not as scientific evidence.

I do find it remarkable that despite all the chaff from those who try to discredit cadaver dogs the fact remains that Eddie only alerted to items directly related to the McCanns. The coin flipping analogy doesn't quite fit with that!!

I can't provide  thr cite again but as far as I'm aware eddie was given far longer in 5a... And originally did not alert to places he later alerted to... As regard the car... Eddie pased by the car, without alerting but was called back.. He wasn't called back to any other car

[Mr Gray]

Grime giving evidence would be equivalent to a FSS scientist giving evidence or is he just another of the police team giving evidence?  That is a hard question.

In the summary of the, appeal it says, Grime was, introduced as an expert by Stockham...

It says Grime testified as an expert in canine training and employment..

Grime testified as an expert.... That's crystal clear

[Robittybob1]

I'm not talking about Keela... It's the cadaver dog that's important....

But before you said DNA was found but it wasn't proved to be blood.  That was a reference to Keela for it was keela that pointed to the region of the "blood".

[Robittybob1]

The dogs bark was presented in the Lane case

I'd say it was the handler's interpretation of the dog bark (alert) that was presented in court.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I can't provide  thr cite again but as far as I'm aware eddie was given far longer in 5a... And originally did not alert to places he later alerted to... As regard the car... Eddie pased by the car, without alerting but was called back.. He wasn't called back to any other car

Come off it - you can see Eddie's behaviour change as he passes the car. This is explained by Grime in statements made to the PJ.. Just as his behaviour changes as he was approaching 5A. Now I have no training in this matter but as a lay observer I believe that the dog has detected what he is trained to alert to  (cadaver odour, human blood, pig corpses). You will have to cite your claim about the length of time for the searches. The entire video has been posted here and is in the PJ Files for anyone who wants to watch it.

[Mr Gray]

But before you said DNA was found but it wasn't proved to be blood.  That was a reference to Keela for it was keela that pointed to the region of the "blood".

It's not clear what you mean... Keela alerted... DNA was recovered.. But not confirmed as blood. 

[Mr Gray]

Come off it - you can see Eddie's behaviour change as he passes the car. This is explained by Grime in statements made to the PJ.. Just as his behaviour changes as he was approaching 5A. Now I have no training in this matter but as a lay observer I believe that the dog has detected what he is trained to alert to  (cadaver odour, human blood, pig corpses). You will have to cite your claim about the length of time for the searches. The entire video has been posted here and is in the PJ Files for anyone who wants to watch it.

The video is, edited... Are you aware the PJ raised concerns that the digs alerted to places they had previously  ignored..
I posted the cite from the files many times

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

By the way the FSS ruled out pig corpses in some of the samples. They stated it was "human" cellular material.

[Robittybob1]

It's not clear what you mean... Keela alerted... DNA was recovered.. But not confirmed as blood.

You said "I'm not talking about Keela... It's the cadaver dog that's important...."  But I'm pointing out you have been referring to Keela as well as Eddie.

[Mr Gray]

I'd say it was the handler's interpretation of the dog bark (alert) that was presented in court.

The fact that the dog barked was presented in court.. The handler gave the reason for the bark

[Mr Gray]

You said "I'm not talking about Keela... It's the cadaver dog that's important...."  But I'm pointing out you have been referring to Keela as well as Eddie.

Only when keela was introduced by someone else

[Robittybob1]

The video is, edited... Are you aware the PJ raised concerns that the digs alerted to places they had previously  ignored..
I posted the cite from the files many times

Are the PJ experts in handling cadaver and CSI dogs?   I'd answer that with a "NO".  So their concerns may not be real concerns at all.

[Mr Gray]

By the way the FSS ruled out pig corpses in some of the samples. They stated it was "human" cellular material.

So what

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

It's not clear what you mean... Keela alerted... DNA was recovered.. But not confirmed as blood.

Do you have any evidence of Keela alerting and forensic scientists recovering samples and the samples proved NOT to be blood?

[Robittybob1]

Only when keela was introduced by someone else

Even if you hadn't named the do you were referring to her.