Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I do agree. It’s a bit pointless to speculate but I could suggest a hypothesis of foul play. What if there was evidence of recent abuse, for example? Or perhaps traces of phenergan which parents would have trouble explaining. With a cardiologist and anaesthetist present you could attempt CPR without emergency services. I agree that such scenarios seem far fetched but the dog alerts are more indicative of a death in 5A then there is evidence to support an abduction by a stranger

Basically what you seem to be saying is that a far fetched scenario has to be entertained in order to validate the dog alerts when really it should be the other way round IMO. 

[ShiningInLuz]

Only to you... For a cadaver dog to alert to a cadaver a body would have to have been in situ for at least an hour...that's the timeframe being discussed

No it doesn't.  There no 'in situ' requirement.  You have invented that.

How long was Gerry McCann's corpse 'in situ' before E&K alerted to the keyfob?

 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Only to you... For a cadaver dog to alert to a cadaver a body would have to have been in situ for at least an hour...that's the timeframe being discussed

85 minutes according to Billy’s research.

[Mr Gray]

No it doesn't.  There no 'in situ' requirement.  You have invented that.

How long was Gerry McCann's corpse 'in situ' before E&K alerted to the keyfob?

 

I've invented nothing... There was blood on the key fob

As I've said... You are referring to blood not cadaver.. A cadaver takes at least an hour to develop cadaver odour... That's the time frame

[ShiningInLuz]

OK, in your opinion, what is the relevance of the dog alerts?  What do they tell us?

That the dogs alerted.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Children don't fall off sofas and die

Cite please!

[Mr Gray]

Cite please!

How can I give a cite for something that's never happened

[ShiningInLuz]

I've invented nothing... There was blood on the key fob

As I've said... You are referring to blood not cadaver.. A cadaver takes at least an hour to develop cadaver odour... That's the time frame

Kindly look at the thread title.

The time frame is anything up to the point the dogs were deployed.

Simple.

[Mr Gray]

That the dogs alerted.

Precisely... That's all they tell us... Nothing more... Totally useless... We agree on something

[Mr Gray]

Kindly look at the thread title.

The time frame is anything up to the point the dogs were deployed.

Simple.

You make no sense whatsoever

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Depends what questions they are trying to answer.

How reliable are the alerts of the dogs in an actual search

Are they liable to make false alerts to remnant scents of
Blood

Sanitary towells
Rotten meat
Stale urine
Faeces
Sweaty socks etc
I'm talking about remnant scent when the articles have been removed

Are dogs affected by operator bias
Will dogs tire and simply alert

Current science hasn't answered these questions so I don't think they're doing a very good job

When your expert knowledge and research is published in forensic science journals I promise to revisit your posts. In the meantime I’ll believe in current scientific literature on the efficacy of the dogs. Your post fails to explain why the dogs only alert at articles relating to the McCanns unless you seriously believe that Grime was corrupt or had a vested interest in framing the McCanns making his actions criminal.  If he wanted to make a case against them why didn’t he make more of the alerts. Instead he stressed the alerts were not proof of the parents involvement w an alleged death, IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That the dogs alerted.

If the significance of the dog alerts is that they alerted and that the alerts tell us nothing more than  that the dogs alerted  then I would contend that they are irrelevant.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Kindly look at the thread title.

The time frame is anything up to the point the dogs were deployed.

Simple.

I used the word timeframe in my post to mean the evening of May 3rd 2007.  Not any time between the beginning of the universe and July 2007.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

No they don't... Give me one example from anywhere in the world..

If children do have a fatal head injury from fall then death is caused by subdural haemorrhage which takes about 12 to 24 HRS to kill.... Unless they fall from a reasonable height

If a child is knocked unconscious and does not have a patent airway they will die in five minutes (give or take a bit depending on partial or total airway obstruction). Lack of effective respiration would be followed by cardiac arrest.

Btw - I work in a hospital - I see children who have suffered from falls.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The parents called the ambulance because the child didn’t die straight away.  Any examples of a child dying instantly from falling off a sofa?  Because that is the required scenario here to fit the known facts.

What if the parent who was present was in the shower and didn’t hear or witness the fall?