Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Not really, think about it.  Madeleine falls off sofa when her parents are there.  She dies instantly so they cover it up - why?  She is injured but not yet dead - why wouldn’t they they call emergency services?

As a hypothesis, IMO, it could be parent not parents who were present. One parent was playing tennis. The other was doing the bedtime routine then jumped in the shower. It's possible for an accident to have occurred whilst the parent is in the shower.

The above hypothesis would explain the inconsistent statements with regards to a friend visiting at bedtime / showertime.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As a hypothesis, IMO, it could be parent not parents who were present. One parent was playing tennis. The other was doing the bedtime routine then jumped in the shower. It's possible for an accident to have occurred whilst the parent is in the shower.

The above hypothesis would explain the inconsistent statements with regards to a friend visiting at bedtime / showertime.

So what accident are you thinking that would make a parent react by covering up, rather than seeking help straight away?  As I said earlier,  if you want to be dishonest you can save yourself a lot of bother by claiming the accident happened after you got out of the shower.  What’s the worst that could happen to you?

[pathfinder73]

If the dogs alert in the Suzy Lamplugh case, and the dig and find an ancient burial site, what relevance will the alerts be to the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh?

The Met trust the dogs so I'm not surprised this case is still on-going after 12 years with their murder squad detectives!

[Mr Gray]

As a hypothesis, IMO, it could be parent not parents who were present. One parent was playing tennis. The other was doing the bedtime routine then jumped in the shower. It's possible for an accident to have occurred whilst the parent is in the shower.

The above hypothesis would explain the inconsistent statements with regards to a friend visiting at bedtime / showertime.

it doesnt explain...
if maddie ahd an accident why didnt teh mccanns simply call teh emergency services
it doesnt explain how the mccanns were able to act normally at dinner
it doesnt explain why the mccanns have kept the case in the public eye for 12 years rather than just allowing it to fade away and be forgotten

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

As the dogs were not deployed within 30 minutes or 85 minutes, it is a non-question.  That is the point.

If someone knows what, precisely, was behind the sofa at the time the police arrived, it might be of interest.

As we don't, it's not relevant.

They don't need to be. They can alert to the previous presence of cadaver odour even if the corpse has been moved. It's that the corpse must have been in the apartment at least 85 minutes after death. That's what current forensic science research indicates.

[G-Unit]

No dog alerts will be irrelevant to the Met - they are presently using them in the search for Suzy Lamplugh.

Death dogs help search for Cheltenham-born murdered estate agent Suzy Lamplugh in woodland near Tewkesbury

"The cadaver dogs used in the investigation into missing schoolgirl Madeleine McCann and murdered Newent woman Kate Prout have been spotted at the dig."

"Officers from the Metropolitan Police started searching a field outside Drakes Broughton near Pershore on Wednesday after receiving new evidence."

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/death-dogs-help-search-cheltenham-3053873

I assume they mean dogs like the ones used in the McCann case. Surely the Met don't need Grime?

[Mr Gray]

waht do the alerts tell us..the cadaver alerts...according to Grime

they may indicate cadaver odour but not necessarily that of maddie
They may not indicate cadaver odour..


that is the sum total of Grimes statement

[jassi]

I assume they mean dogs like the ones used in the McCann case. Surely the Met don't need Grime?

New dogs were brought in when OG went digging a few years ago

[pathfinder73]

I assume they mean dogs like the ones used in the McCann case. Surely the Met don't need Grime?

I'm not sure who they mean because Eddie is deceased and he alerted in the McCann and Prout cases. It is probably the same dogs the Met used in 2014 in PDL.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I've invented nothing... There was blood on the key fob

As I've said... You are referring to blood not cadaver.. A cadaver takes at least an hour to develop cadaver odour... That's the time frame

Not quite right. It starts to develop cadaveric VOCs after as little as four minutes. The point is that trained specialist dogs are not able to reliably detect the odour until a body is at least 85 minutes post mortem. From that time up until 120 hours post mortem and beyond the alerts are ever more reliable.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Precisely... That's all they tell us... Nothing more... Totally useless... We agree on something

And yesterday you conceded they were of "value"???

[Mr Gray]

Whatevs. Rule what you like to suit your ego.

Death of 4-Month-Old Bronx Boy Ruled Homicide, Police Say

www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160329/parkchester/death-of-4-month-old-bronx-boy-ruled-homicide-police-say/

BRONX — The death of a 4-month-old Parkchester boy has been ruled a homicide more than seven months after his father told police the child hit his head falling off a couch, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said Tuesday.

The city's Medical Examiner ruled that Christopher Rhodes died from blunt force trauma on Aug. 7, 2015, death, said Julie Bolcer, the director of public affairs for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.


It was just so obvious.....but you fell for it General

[Mr Gray]

And yesterday you conceded they were of "value"???

cite

[jassi]

Death of 4-Month-Old Bronx Boy Ruled Homicide, Police Say

www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160329/parkchester/death-of-4-month-old-bronx-boy-ruled-homicide-police-say/

BRONX — The death of a 4-month-old Parkchester boy has been ruled a homicide more than seven months after his father told police the child hit his head falling off a couch, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said Tuesday.

The city's Medical Examiner ruled that Christopher Rhodes died from blunt force trauma on Aug. 7, 2015, death, said Julie Bolcer, the director of public affairs for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.


It was just so obvious.....but you fell for it General

Has there been a trial and a conviction ?

[The General]

Death of 4-Month-Old Bronx Boy Ruled Homicide, Police Say

www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160329/parkchester/death-of-4-month-old-bronx-boy-ruled-homicide-police-say/

BRONX — The death of a 4-month-old Parkchester boy has been ruled a homicide more than seven months after his father told police the child hit his head falling off a couch, NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said Tuesday.

The city's Medical Examiner ruled that Christopher Rhodes died from blunt force trauma on Aug. 7, 2015, death, said Julie Bolcer, the director of public affairs for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.


It was just so obvious.....but you fell for it General

I didn't, I just couldn't be arsed checking the outcome as I knew that may well have been what actually happened. You did, great.