Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Robittybob1]

see above.....and if you dont please point where the fault is in my logic

Ask Collin Sutton.  Something about not starting from the beginning.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I never said it was always the parents that dunnit.

But let's face it, a lot of the time it is.

And sometimes it isn’t?!  Who knew?!

[Mr Gray]

Ask Collin Sutton.  Something about not starting from the beginning.

colin sutton was not involved in the investigation

[Robittybob1]

colin sutton was not involved in the investigation

Who said he was?  I was answering your question  "..... please point where the fault is in my logic".

[Miss Taken Identity]

I wonder why Russell seemed to have a particular time in mind?

 if there had been an accident or something terrible, they’ve got four other Consultants or Senior Doctors within a, you know, you know on the tennis courts or within a short shout
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

I don't know what to make of this:  this was at the alert from Kate is is talking about"
We went over to Gerry and Kate’s apartment I didn’t go in to the apartment.  I can recall it would have been a similar layout to ours, although the furniture and décor was different to ours as the apartments are leased. I didn’t go into the bedroom on this occasion, but I’d imagine that there are wardrobes in there as there are in ours.  When I had been into the apartment on previous occasions it had been dark."

Was he claiming he did go into the childrens bedroom when it was dark on previous occasions?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Just read DPs statement in the rogatory interview with LP paying special attention to the visit to apartment 5A. It adds weight to the hypothesis that by the time of the visit an accident had already happened IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why would you want to claim it happened after you got out of the shower?

In my hypothetical scenario the child is dead remember.

As for wanting a motive not to call the emergency services, I'll give you another hypothetical scenario. What if the parent(s) had given a child oral phenergan at bedtime and then jumped in the shower. The child got out of bed and somewhat drowsy fell from the back of a sofa or nearby windowsill. The child is knocked unconscious and the airway is obstructed. Complete airway obstruction leads to asphyxia (hypoxia plus hypercarbia) and cardiac arrest within five to ten minutes. The parent wants to hide the fact that their administration of phenergan may well be seen as a contributory factor at autopsy. In this scenario you would have a motive to cover up  the death.

Why would you want to claim it happened after you got out of the shower?  To demonstrate that you hadn’t left your kids unattended for a few minutes.  Is it illegal to give your kids oral phenergan? 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I wonder why Russell seemed to have a particular time in mind?

 if there had been an accident or something terrible, they’ve got four other Consultants or Senior Doctors within a, you know, you know on the tennis courts or within a short shout
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

The time he had in mind fits my hypothesis about an accident around bedtime.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No in the hypothesis you have to believe that the parents have a vested interest in concealing accidental death and can stay relatively calm and functional despite this awful tragedy and grief. They don't have to be "calculating murderers"

So why cite an example of a cold calculating murderer to make the point?  It’s irrelevant is it not?

[Mr Gray]

Who said he was?  I was answering your question  "..... please point where the fault is in my logic".

As I didn't mention Sutton and he was not involved in the case he's of little relevance.
I find some of his comments in the case unprofessional and ill  informed... Perhaps that's because he's annoyed he wasn't asked to lead the case

[Vertigo Swirl]

The time he had in mind fits my hypothesis about an accident around bedtime.

An accident round bedtime means that the theory of concern about being prosecuted  for neglect can be discounted.  So had they decided to report the alleged accident what do you think they would have been charged with?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So why cite an example of a cold calculating murderer to make the point?  It’s irrelevant is it not?

Absolutely someone else cited cold calculating murderers not me. I was saying they dyhave to be that, but they may still want to hide an accidental death from the emergency services, IMO.

[Robittybob1]

Absolutely someone else cited cold calculating murderers not me. I was saying they'd have to be that, but they may still want to hide an accidental death from the emergency services, IMO.

Sounds a bit hypothetical in the end.  I'm surprised what is being said in the thread.  I might have TO BACKTRACK.
This conversation starts right back at page 52.  I'm wondering if John can pull the private discussion between VS and Billy into a separate thread.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

An accident round bedtime means that the theory of concern about being prosecuted  for neglect can be discounted.  So had they decided to report the alleged accident what do you think they would have been charged with?

I told you two scenarios. IMO parents may want to hide the fact they gave their children POMs at bedtime that had sedative side effects. Or they may want to conceal signs of abuse (hypothetically speaking of course)

[Vertigo Swirl]

I told you two scenarios. IMO parents may want to hide the fact they gave their children POMs at bedtime that had sedative side effects. Or they may want to conceal signs of abuse (hypothetically speaking of course)

Is it illegal to give your kids POMs?  By abuse are you referring to sexual abuse, hypothetically speaking?