Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Mr Gray]

I think Billy's scenario's are much less wild and improbable than those invented by the abduction supporters. He has invented no watchers, no strange ideas about bloodlines and no ridiculous suggestions about a cadaver dog alerting to anything and everything which doesn't emit the smell he was trained to detect.

Eddie alerting  odours he's trained to... What did he alert to in Jersey... Nothing confirmed... Grime now says a cadaver dog will not react to teeth in those circumstances

[Lace]

There is no proof in Amaral's claim that Madeleine heard her Dad talking in the road outside,  would she have been able to hear him,  considering they were probably keeping their voices down as Jez was trying to get his baby to sleep.

There has been no reconstruction as to how Madeleine if she had climbed on the sofa would have fallen off it.  If the sofa was pushed back and Madeleine climbed on it to look out of the window, she would have leaned over the back to reach the window,  if she had fallen she would have gone down over the back of it and I can't see that as being a sudden fall more like a slither down the back.   IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whatever has happened in other cases theres absolutely no evidence that anyone was watching 5A or that Eddie ever alerted to smells he wasn't trained to alert to.

Now tell me what Billy has invented that is wild and improbable.

Parent drugs children with prescription medicine, goes for a shower, comes out and finds child dying on the floor, does not call for medical assistance (too risky apparently giving your children phenargrn is illegal?) tries to save child’s life, fails, waits for hubbie to come, he says oh dear we will have to fake an abduction that’s far less risky than simply owning up to the actual sequence of events, now have this glass of wine and let’s go out and enjoy dinner with our mates, I’ve got this covered, just remember when you do the 10pm check to open the window and scream loudly “they’ve taken her”, then I will jog over close the window, oh and by then I will have already carried the body uncovered through town to dump in a bin, doesn’t matter if I’m seen, no one will suspect a thing.

[Brietta]

I think Billy's scenario's are much less wild and improbable than those invented by the abduction supporters. He has invented no watchers, no strange ideas about bloodlines and no ridiculous suggestions about a cadaver dog alerting to anything and everything which doesn't emit the smell he was trained to detect.

Nothing Billy says is supported by witness statements unlike the watchers seen outside the McCann apartment in the run up to Madeleine's disappearance.  None of whom have been traced apart from supposition, unless you know better?

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The former senior investigating officer Lenny Harper said the dog, Eddie, gave officers enough evidence to widen their abuse investigation at the home.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-17337414

 ... and we know precisely how that turned out.  https://www.gov.je/sitecollectiondocuments/government%20and%20administration/r%20wiltshireoperationhavenredacted%2020081112%20jn.pdf

https://www.gov.je/sitecollectiondocuments/government%20and%20administration/r%20operation%20rectangle%20review%20of%20the%20efficient%20and%20effective%20use%20of%20resources%20201005%20bdo%20alto.pdf

[Mr Gray]

Not all. It’s wild and improbable to believe these specialised dogs which are tested and accredited suddenly start making false alerts and only in places and objects directly related to one family. Once maybe... but eleven times? Also we know that human cellular material was found where Keela alerted.

If the dogs were properly tested you would have a point...they are not properly tested. Where are the tests to show that the cadaver dog does not alert to the pasr presence of all the things i have mentioned...they dont seem to exist..

[Mr Gray]

why would the mccanns have a problem with anti histamines use if it was indeed true. Children suffer mild allergies....it would be easy to justify their use

[Lace]

Weren’t they able to act completely untroubled after their daughter’s disappearance? Isn’t that why people found them so strange ?

They didn't react completely untroubled after their daughters disappearance,  have you read the statements of the people who were around them?

If you are talking about the appeal to the abductor,  the Police told them not to show emotion,  just as they had told Sara Payne.   You could still hear it in Kate's voice though and afterwards  she was crying.   The first interview in Portugal they had to stop filming many times as the McCann's broke down crying.  The award Gerry was given after Madeleine's disappearance when he had to give a speech he broke down crying.   You are just going by selected interviews or selected photo's for the press.   It's ridiculous that people can come to a conclusion by what they see on tv or on the internet.   IMO

[Mr Gray]

I've just been watching an old case where this happened.

Man went to his birthday party, then nipped off home, strangled his wife, and strung her up from the banisters to fake suicide, before going back to his birthday party and having a jolly, leaving his two infants alone in his house with the body.

you are describing one man with an obvious personality disorder...who probably showed signs of this disorder previously. What we re being asked to accept is taht the mccanns had personality disorders which had not been expressed previously or since...and their group of friends covered up several serios crimes which would make them criminally involved too. do you think the tapas would donate their libel win to a fund they knew to be fraudulent

[Brietta]

Of the known court cases involving dog handlers testimony is there a single one which is reliant on the use of a single dog and a single handler?

Of the cases I have read about more than one dog has alerted in the same area.

Can anyone provide a cite where only a single animal was relied upon apart from in Praia da Luz? or Haute de la Garenne. 

I don't think it happens.

[Mr Gray]

Falls are the most common cause of accidental home injury deaths. More common in the elderly but also one of the leading causes of accidental home injury deaths in children

Incidentally look at the picture they choose!! Uncanny.
https://www.asecurelife.com/home-accident-statistics/

You have a habit of inventing facts that do not stand up to scrutiny, then ignore uncomfortable truths such as the chances of Eddie and Keela suddenly making 11 false alerts that are all related to one family are pretty much as near to zero as you can get.

the picture you chose shows a child about to pass through what looks like  a first floor window..

children dont die from falling off sofas...find me one example anywhere in the world

I dont rate the alerts for reasons alraedy explained

I rate the dogs as superb tools for finding evidence...the problems arise when theres no evidence to collect...thats when coconuts ...baby teeth and animal bone fragments get discovered..

I dont have to make anything up...ipso loquor facto........or something like taht

[Lace]

I've just been watching an old case where this happened.

Man went to his birthday party, then nipped off home, strangled his wife, and strung her up from the banisters to fake suicide, before going back to his birthday party and having a jolly, leaving his two infants alone in his house with the body.

You can't compare the two.   This man WANTED his wife dead,  he was probably congratulating himself on pulling off what he thought was the perfect murder.   No wonder he was having a jolly.

[Mr Gray]

I've just been watching an old case where this happened.

Man went to his birthday party, then nipped off home, strangled his wife, and strung her up from the banisters to fake suicide, before going back to his birthday party and having a jolly, leaving his two infants alone in his house with the body.

If you are going to quote cases could you post more detail so they can be checked out otherwise your claims have little credibility

[G-Unit]

Parent drugs children with prescription medicine, goes for a shower, comes out and finds child dying on the floor, does not call for medical assistance (too risky apparently giving your children phenargrn is illegal?) tries to save child’s life, fails, waits for hubbie to come, he says oh dear we will have to fake an abduction that’s far less risky than simply owning up to the actual sequence of events, now have this glass of wine and let’s go out and enjoy dinner with our mates, I’ve got this covered, just remember when you do the 10pm check to open the window and scream loudly “they’ve taken her”, then I will jog over close the window, oh and by then I will have already carried the body uncovered through town to dump in a bin, doesn’t matter if I’m seen, no one will suspect a thing.

Did Billy invent the scenario you describe or did you invent it?

[Brietta]

If Eddie and Keela's alerts in Praia da Luz had any credibility or validity in 2007 we would not be having this present conversation about whether or not they had any meaning.

If the Judicial Police had found evidence which substantiated them ... Kate and Gerry would have been charged and a warrant issued for their arrest ... and this discussion would not be taking place on the internet, it would have been heard in a court of law.

That it didn't confirms that the alerts are meaningless.

[Mr Gray]

If Eddie and Keela's alerts in Praia da Luz had any credibility or validity in 2007 we would not be having this present conversation about whether or not they had any meaning.

If the Judicial Police had found evidence which substantiated them ... Kate and Gerry would have been charged and a warrant issued for their arrest ... and this discussion would not be taking place on the internet, it would have been heard in a court of law.

That it didn't confirms that the alerts are meaningless.

not only that..
If the Pj had managed to arrest and charge the mccanns...and the dna and the dog alerts had been deemd admissable..

i think the mccanns would have been found guilty


no wonder kate was worried