Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Mr Gray]

You want a cite for a hypothetical?

That would be you.

 

You posted... Actually it would.... So cite for what it would indicate

[Holly Goodhead]

Based on the report produced by the National Police Improvement Agency into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews which stated:

"The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The dogs are clearly able to scent odours from items that have been moved around and are nothing to do with soc as above.  In this case, MM, we can't possibly know the history of the apartment, its contents and the hire car.  Therefore its quite possible the alerts were not connected to the investigation but something similar to above.  In the Shannon Matthews case the British police were clearly able to identify the issue ie second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died, but in the case of MM I can't see where these sorts of issues have even been considered let alone identified and eliminated?

In terms of the human cellular material thought to be blood as detected by the dog, but invisible to the naked eye, we have no idea if a) it was definitely blood b) if it was blood, or some other human cellular material, how did it get there and who did it originate from.

These tests/results are utterly meaningless. 

[Mr Gray]

The remit, as discussed ad infinitum.

The remit did not state the investigation had not begun at the beginning... From what I have seen SY looked, at all the evidence against the mccanns and have come to the, same conclusion I and many others, have.... The mccanns are not involved

[Mr Gray]

Based on the report produced by the National Police Improvement Agency into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews which stated:

"The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The dogs are clearly able to scent odours from items that have been moved around and are nothing to do with soc as above.  In this case, MM, we can't possibly know the history of the apartment, its contents and the hire car.  Therefore its quite possible the alerts were not connected to the investigation but something similar to above.  In the Shannon Matthews case the British police were clearly able to identify the issue ie second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died, but in the case of MM I can't see where these sorts of issues have even been considered let alone identified and eliminated?

In terms of the human cellular material thought to be blood as detected by the dog, but invisible to the naked eye, we have no idea if a) it was definitely blood b) if it was blood, or some other human cellular material, how did it get there and who did it originate from.

These tests/results are utterly meaningless.

Conspiracy  theorists don't accept clear logic

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Based on the report produced by the National Police Improvement Agency into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews which stated:

"The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The dogs are clearly able to scent odours from items that have been moved around and are nothing to do with soc as above.  In this case, MM, we can't possibly know the history of the apartment, its contents and the hire car.  Therefore its quite possible the alerts were not connected to the investigation but something similar to above.  In the Shannon Matthews case the British police were clearly able to identify the issue ie second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died, but in the case of MM I can't see where these sorts of issues have even been considered let alone identified and eliminated?

In terms of the human cellular material thought to be blood as detected by the dog, but invisible to the naked eye, we have no idea if a) it was definitely blood b) if it was blood, or some other human cellular material, how did it get there and who did it originate from.

These tests/results are utterly meaningless.

So in the Matthews case the dog correctly alerted to cadaver odour. The scientists have to work out the how and when.

[Robittybob1]

Based on the report produced by the National Police Improvement Agency into the disappearance of Shannon Matthews which stated:

"The properties that the dog searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The dogs are clearly able to scent odours from items that have been moved around and are nothing to do with soc as above.  In this case, MM, we can't possibly know the history of the apartment, its contents and the hire car.  Therefore its quite possible the alerts were not connected to the investigation but something similar to above.  In the Shannon Matthews case the British police were clearly able to identify the issue ie second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died, but in the case of MM I can't see where these sorts of issues have even been considered let alone identified and eliminated?

In terms of the human cellular material thought to be blood as detected by the dog, but invisible to the naked eye, we have no idea if a) it was definitely blood b) if it was blood, or some other human cellular material, how did it get there and who did it originate from.

These tests/results are utterly meaningless.

Not meaningless if in the end result the perpetrator confesses to the actual crime.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Conspiracy  theorists don't accept clear logic

that there was an abduction is a conspiracy theory.... and one with no evidence!

[Mr Gray]

that there was an abduction is a conspiracy theory.... and one with no evidence!

I think there's plenty if evidence fir abduction

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Actually it would.  But since it was not proven to be MBM's DNA, the point is hypothetical.

Hypothetically - what would it show if MM's DNA was indeed found in the hire car?

[Holly Goodhead]

Not meaningless if in the end result the perpetrator confesses to the actual crime.

Please explain?

[jassi]

I think there's plenty if evidence fir abduction

Go on then, list it for us.

[Mr Gray]

Go on then, list it for us.

I have done several times

[Robittybob1]

Please explain?

Several cases a cadaver DOG SEARCH HAS resulted in a perpetrator confessing to the crime.  From memory the one discussed on the forum was the Zapata case.

So even if the evidence wasn't good enough to go to court with, the psychological pressure applied on the witness was enough to make him crack.

[Holly Goodhead]

So in the Matthews case the dog correctly alerted to cadaver odour. The scientists have to work out the how and when.

Potentially cadaver odour is prevalent all over the place if its capable of being carried from one place to another eg second-hand furniture bought from one dwelling where someone has died to another dwelling where someone hasn't died?  How would forensic scientists be capable of working out who the odour belonged to and when/where it was secreted?  Surely this would be a case of the police investigators simply carrying out checks on the history of items?

[Robittybob1]

Potentially cadaver odour is prevalent all over the place if its capable of being carried from one place to another eg second-hand furniture bought from one dwelling where someone has died to another dwelling where someone hasn't died?  How would forensic scientists be capable of working out who the odour belonged to and when/where it was secreted?  Surely this would be a case of the police investigators simply carrying out checks on the history of items?

Some people think it lasts forever but it doesn't as you have pointed out by logic.  If it did last forever it would be everywhere.