Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Robittybob1]

“Collusion is a secret cooperation or deceitful agreement in order to deceive others, although not necessarily illegal, as a conspiracy” - do you have the cites for DP’s admissions of collusion?

Looking forward to this.

[faithlilly]

When you suggested the police believed Madeleine may have died in the flat and lain there long enough to emit cadaver odour.

If they believed the parent’s narrative, the body must have emitted cadaver odour in less than 90 minutes...is that clear enough ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

If they believed the parent’s narrative, the body must have emitted cadaver odour in less than 90 minutes...is that clear enough ?

You’re still missing the illogicality of your argument.  How could Madeleine’s body have been in the apartment long enough to emit cadaver odour without one or both McCanns knowing she was dead?  Any policeman knowing about cadaver odour would have to draw the conclusion that the McCanns were hiding something and that therefore the timeline must not be believable. 

[faithlilly]

You’re still missing the illogicality of your argument.  How could Madeleine’s body have been in the apartment long enough to emit cadaver odour without one or both McCanns knowing she was dead?  Any policeman knowing about cadaver odour would have to draw the conclusion that the McCanns were hiding something and that therefore the timeline must not be believable.

Do you believe Grime and Harrison thought the parents had colluded in Madeleine’s disappearance?

You have two choices. Either Grime/Harrison thought the parents guilty....so the development of cadaver odour could be from 90 minutes onwards.

Or they believed there was an abductor so the cadaver odour developed in less that 60 minutes.

Either way by suggesting the deployment of the dogs Harrison must have believed that there was enough time for cadaver odour to develop.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You’re still missing the illogicality of your argument.  How could Madeleine’s body have been in the apartment long enough to emit cadaver odour without one or both McCanns knowing she was dead?  Any policeman knowing about cadaver odour would have to draw the conclusion that the McCanns were hiding something and that therefore the timeline must not be believable.

Well of course the PJ knew the timeline was inconsistent... Anyone can see it's full of inconsistencies.... Mitchell's account of the "missing six hours" came after they were back in the UK.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

And even after Mitchell's account for the "missing six hours" the timeline is full of glaring inconsistencies.

[Robittybob1]

You’re still missing the illogicality of your argument.  How could Madeleine’s body have been in the apartment long enough to emit cadaver odour without one or both McCanns knowing she was dead?  Any policeman knowing about cadaver odour would have to draw the conclusion that the McCanns were hiding something and that therefore the timeline must not be believable.

The apartment has basically had free access, right, so is it impossible for someone else to remove Madeleine before Kate turned up?  I don't say someone did that but I can't rule it out either.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Looking forward to this.

I was using the non legal definition- that they got together to discuss timelines. He didn’t admit any wrongful intent .

[Vertigo Swirl]

I was using the non legal definition- that they got together to discuss timelines. He didn’t admit any wrongful intent .

So no admission of collusion then.  My previous post stands.  No evidence of collusion as inconsistent statements from 5 individuals demonstrates.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you believe Grime and Harrison thought the parents had colluded in Madeleine’s disappearance?

You have two choices. Either Grime/Harrison thought the parents guilty....so the development of cadaver odour could be from 90 minutes onwards.

Or they believed there was an abductor so the cadaver odour developed in less that 60 minutes.

Either way by suggesting the deployment of the dogs Harrison must have believed that there was enough time for cadaver odour to develop.

This is all arse about face.  Bringing cadaver dogs into the apartment was a sign that the police doubted the McCanns’ version of events IMO.  There is no way that Grime and Harrison could both believe the timeline and believe it was possible for Madeleine to have been dead in the apartment long enough for cadaver odour to develop.  It just doesn’t compute.  What would an abductor have been doing hanging around waiting 60 minutes for cadaver odour to develop?

[faithlilly]

This is all arse about face.  Bringing cadaver dogs into the apartment was a sign that the police doubted the McCanns’ version of events IMO.  There is no way that Grime and Harrison could both believe the timeline and believe it was possible for Madeleine to have been dead in the apartment long enough for cadaver odour to develop.  It just doesn’t compute.  What would an abductor have been doing hanging around waiting 60 minutes for cadaver odour to develop?

So Harrison and Grime believed the parents were lying. So it wasn’t only Amaral and the PJ.

Now we get to the meat.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So no admission of collusion then.  My previous post stands.  No evidence of collusion as inconsistent statements from 5 individuals demonstrates.

They compared notes and IMO Mitchell tried to undo some of the damage through press releases. Despite that their timeline from 17:00 does not stand up to scrutiny and there is time for an accident , a concealment and the development of cadaver odour IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So Harrison and Grime believed the parents were lying. So it wasn’t only Amaral and the PJ.

Now we get to the meat.

Sausages. 
I don’t know about Harrison, but I would imagine Grime was briefed on the PJ’s suspicions before he carried out the alerts, which would explain alot IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They compared notes and IMO Mitchell tried to undo some of the damage through press releases. Despite that their timeline from 17:00 does not stand up to scrutiny and there is time for an accident , a concealment and the development of cadaver odour IMO.

Not an accident, it doesn’t make sense IMO.  Why is everyone covering up for them?

[faithlilly]

Sausages. 
I don’t know about Harrison, but I would imagine Grime was briefed on the PJ’s suspicions before he carried out the alerts, which would explain alot IMO.

Wasn’t it Harrison who suggested that the dogs be brought in?