Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Robittybob1]

The simplest thing to do is go by the PDF page number
1 to 187...and in all 187 pages the phrase decomposed blood does not appear

Didn't you see I conceded you were right. (see the thread "Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane."  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10842.msg545455#msg545455)

[Robittybob1]

Davel has suggested that Grime trains his dogs more thoroughly: "It's my opinion that Martin Grime needs to make sure his dogs, are more thoroughly tested".   http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10881.msg545777#msg545777

Davels say that IMO because he wants to make a difference.  "You would like cadaver dogs to be tested more thoroughly.  It sounds like a good idea initially as I have agreed but where does that extra thoroughness stop.  How necessary was it in the first place.

I did find one section in those papers where areas of confusion are discussed.  There could be chemical combination concocted that smelt like the target odour. But as far as I know no one has done that yet."


 

[Robittybob1]

Good reference document http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The dogs are trained to alert to a particular odour.

The dogs alerted eleven times.

All eleven alerts were directly linked to the McCann's.

The dogs are not trained to alert to anything else. Tests show they do alert to what they are trained to alert to with 92-100% accuracy. The dogs are regularly tested.

You can't possibly test which billions of other things the dogs might mistakenly alert to. To suggest that this means they lack proper training or testing is just chaff. The fact remains that the dogs are trained to alert to specific things. To be wrong eleven times would be quite something. To be wrong eleven times and all the mistakes by chance just relate to one family is off the scale incredible.

IMO must people faced with the dog alert films in the context of this case would begin to concede that the likelihood is that the missing child is dead. They would then want to know what has happened. IMO the first response would not be to clam up... and then to rubbish these highly skilled dogs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The dogs are trained to alert to a particular odour.

The dogs alerted eleven times.

All eleven alerts were directly linked to the McCann's.

The dogs are not trained to alert to anything else. Tests show they do alert to what they are trained to alert to with 92-100% accuracy. The dogs are regularly tested.

You can't possibly test which billions of other things the dogs might mistakenly alert to. To suggest that this means they lack proper training or testing is just chaff. The fact remains that the dogs are trained to alert to specific things. To be wrong eleven times would be quite something. To be wrong eleven times and all the mistakes by chance just relate to one family is off the scale incredible.

IMO must people faced with the dog alert films in the context of this case would begin to concede that the likelihood is that the missing child is dead. They would then want to know what has happened. IMO the first response would not be to clam up... and then to rubbish these highly skilled dogs.

Did you look up Zampo?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Did you look up Zampo?

No.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No.

Perhaps you should.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Perhaps you should.

I did now - and stand by my post.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I did now - and stand by my post.

Why?  Your post referenced the number of alerts and scoffed at the idea that so many alerts only to things pertaining to the McCanns could be written off as a coincidence, so how do you explain Zampo’s 45 alerts in a place his handler was told was the scene of many grisly murders that later actually turned out never happened in that location at all?

[Mr Gray]

The dogs are trained to alert to a particular odour.

The dogs alerted eleven times.

All eleven alerts were directly linked to the McCann's.

The dogs are not trained to alert to anything else. Tests show they do alert to what they are trained to alert to with 92-100% accuracy. The dogs are regularly tested.

You can't possibly test which billions of other things the dogs might mistakenly alert to. To suggest that this means they lack proper training or testing is just chaff. The fact remains that the dogs are trained to alert to specific things. To be wrong eleven times would be quite something. To be wrong eleven times and all the mistakes by chance just relate to one family is off the scale incredible.

IMO must people faced with the dog alert films in the context of this case would begin to concede that the likelihood is that the missing child is dead. They would then want to know what has happened. IMO the first response would not be to clam up... and then to rubbish these highly skilled dogs.

so you raiseed the topic of the dogs on no less than four different threads late alst night....showing that claims IM obsessed with the dogs is totally untrue...i merely respond to psots sucha s yours. I wa shappy to leave it there but you want to raise exactly the same issues again which ive alraedy answerred. Ill annwer them again alittle later...no apologies to those who suggest i give the dog topic a rest. As long as sceptics raise the topic I will respond

[Mr Gray]

The dogs are trained to alert to a particular odour.

The dogs alerted eleven times.

All eleven alerts were directly linked to the McCann's.

The dogs are not trained to alert to anything else. Tests show they do alert to what they are trained to alert to with 92-100% accuracy. The dogs are regularly tested.

You can't possibly test which billions of other things the dogs might mistakenly alert to. To suggest that this means they lack proper training or testing is just chaff. The fact remains that the dogs are trained to alert to specific things. To be wrong eleven times would be quite something. To be wrong eleven times and all the mistakes by chance just relate to one family is off the scale incredible.

IMO must people faced with the dog alert films in the context of this case would begin to concede that the likelihood is that the missing child is dead. They would then want to know what has happened. IMO the first response would not be to clam up... and then to rubbish these highly skilled dogs.

The dogs are only tested for their ability to alert to cadaver odour....which they are good at ...but  not tested to see how they behave when cadaaver odour isnt present.

grime said no false alerts in 200 case searches....which would suggest they are not tested for false alerts...that is a  major fail..imo

The dogs alerted only to articles related to teh mccanns. according to the PJ...cite provided many times...they initially did not alert to things mccann but were called back.

even grime has said that the alerts are not necessarily related to any particular scenario


11 alerts in Jersey...a coconut...baby teeth...and some bone fragmnets that may or may not be human...grime has now said cadaver dogs do not alert to such teeth....so what were all those alerts about

based on the evidence...imo...cadaver alerts total rubbish in this case

[Robittybob1]

This is a dog thread!

[slartibartfast]

The dogs are only tested for their ability to alert to cadaver odour....which they are good at ...but  not tested to see how they behave when cadaaver odour isnt present.

grime said no false alerts in 200 case searches....which would suggest they are not tested for false alerts...that is a  major fail..imo

The dogs alerted only to articles related to teh mccanns. according to the PJ...cite provided many times...they initially did not alert to things mccann but were called back.

even grime has said that the alerts are not necessarily related to any particular scenario


11 alerts in Jersey...a coconut...baby teeth...and some bone fragmnets that may or may not be human...grime has now said cadaver dogs do not alert to such teeth....so what were all those alerts about

based on the evidence...imo...cadaver alerts total rubbish in this case

The bone fragments were human.

[Mr Gray]

The bone fragments were human.

then provide a cite...as per forum rules which you as a moderator enforce

[Wonderfulspam]

Possibly human.

Anyway, I thought Eddie supposedly alerted to stale urine.
This was a hundred year old children's home, I bet it reeked of old piss.