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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #435 on: January 08, 2016, 08:20:14 PM »
they would have been traumatised...there would be a lot of noise...someone would have heard

Why on all counts?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #436 on: January 08, 2016, 08:21:13 PM »

Please let's not be too silly.

Offline Mr Gray


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Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #438 on: January 08, 2016, 08:21:41 PM »
That wasn't the question.
As you believe the McCanns covered up the death of their child I would say it was a very relevant question.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #439 on: January 08, 2016, 08:22:57 PM »
As you believe the McCanns covered up the death of their child I would say it was a very relevant question.

I thought we had been told not to tell other posters what they believe?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #440 on: January 08, 2016, 08:23:19 PM »

They were sleeping soundly  and couldn't have done anything even if they had woken.
Why were the twins sleeping soundly, whilst Madeleine was wandering round banging her head and swallowing dangerous objects, that's what I'd like to know.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #441 on: January 08, 2016, 08:24:11 PM »
I thought we had been told not to tell other posters what they believe?
I'm not telling you something you don't already know, why be coy about it?

ETA when did all these new rules come into play?  If you tell me I believe Madeleine was abducted, then I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #442 on: January 08, 2016, 08:26:20 PM »

please explain

To be traumatised they would have to understand what was happening.
If she choked on something like a bottle top it could be quite quick, she would not necessarily have been in the bedroom. She wouldn't be able to make a lot of noise.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #443 on: January 08, 2016, 08:27:54 PM »
But no one has come up with a realistic scenario...if you remember you suggested a ruptured aorta...the sort of injury arising in a car accident

Chloe Goddard's death remains unexplained.

She was glimpsed stumbling forward but was not seen to strike her head nor did she complain or show any sign of distress either then or later when she went to bed.

The post mortem found "she died from a severe head injury following a blow to the back of the head". Did she perhaps fall out of bed, strike the back of her head and manage to climb back into bed before being discovered by her mum? 
We will never know, and more importantly neither will her parents.

It is possible for a child to suffer a blow to the back of the head resulting in injury and live to tell the tale.

**Snip
My granddaughter slipped and fell on a marble floor running through the kitchen in her socks when she was three years old – the blow to the back of her head sent blood flying in all directions.
Rushing her to the hospital, we realized she was going to have a concussion.
She will never remember that incident, yet in that moment the Neuro Net of her brain went into shock and her brain slowed down to start the healing process.
http://marmaladeoc.com/your-childs-vulnerable-brain-2/

I do not believe there is a scintilla of evidence that Madeleine McCann either suffered a head injury from which she later died or that she fell onto her head from a sofa or over a balcony into a garden and died immediately.

So until someone can come up with a workable scenario for such an event which even touches on the possible and doesn't rely on fantastic speculation on how her little body was made to vanish as in a magic trick ... why speculate?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #444 on: January 08, 2016, 08:30:12 PM »
I'm not telling you something you don't already know, why be coy about it?

ETA when did all these new rules come into play?  If you tell me I believe Madeleine was abducted, then I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

You just said that I believe that the McCanns covered up Madeleine's death. I have never said that and to honest I am fairly open minded on the subject of what happened and could accept many possible scenarios.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #445 on: January 08, 2016, 08:30:45 PM »
To be traumatised they would have to understand what was happening.
If she choked on something like a bottle top it could be quite quick, she would not necessarily have been in the bedroom. She wouldn't be able to make a lot of noise.

it would not be quick....probably up to three minutes...she would be thrashing around

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #446 on: January 08, 2016, 08:33:09 PM »
You just said that I believe that the McCanns covered up Madeleine's death. I have never said that and to honest I am fairly open minded on the subject of what happened and could accept many possible scenarios.

I find that very hard to believe...for someone who is open minded you align yourself totally with the sceptics and in fact accepted the post as moderator as a sceptic to address the balance......perhaps you just think you are open minded

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #447 on: January 08, 2016, 08:38:30 PM »
I find that very hard to believe...for someone who is open minded you align yourself totally with the sceptics and in fact accepted the post as moderator as a sceptic to address the balance......perhaps you just think you are open minded

I don't have beliefs in the case, just tend to base my stance on the balance of probabilities. If evidence changes or new evidence emerges then my stance will change.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #448 on: January 08, 2016, 08:43:10 PM »
You just said that I believe that the McCanns covered up Madeleine's death. I have never said that and to honest I am fairly open minded on the subject of what happened and could accept many possible scenarios.
So you accept Madeleine may have been abducted by a stranger then?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment
« Reply #449 on: January 08, 2016, 08:45:40 PM »
I don't have beliefs in the case, just tend to base my stance on the balance of probabilities. If evidence changes or new evidence emerges then my stance will change.

Everyone has beliefs and opinions based on there understanding of the evidence..... i don't believe anything blindly and could change my beliefs if any new evidence came to light.. ..........i find you quite one sided..you only contradict and question posts made by supporters... I understand there have been several complaints re your biased moderating ...so to claim you are open minded is more than a little strange