Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!

[Eleanor]

I will be deleting Off Topic Posts from now on.

[ShiningInLuz]

1) Contribute by your actions to the death of a child then tell me if your resultant psychological condition could be described as sane.
2) The GNR/PJ that night failed in many things. Letting the bins be collected before being properly checked and not checking the nearest landfill site was obviously two of them.

On point 2), I have been woken at 4AM by lorries collecting the rubbish.  I think it is easier for them to do it when there is less traffic.  I don't know what happened in 2007, since I wasn't here then.  So the first requirement would have been searching all 188 bins by tipping out the contents.  This on the basis of a missing child, no evidence of a forced entry, and the Tanner sighting.
Is there anything in any other similar crime in which the bins of an entire district were searched in such a manner?  If there is, you have to take into account that a man walking could have been in neighbouring villages BY THE TIME THE GNR WAS CALLED.  The radius never was restricted to Luz.

As to checking the nearest landfill site - I don't think so.  I very much doubt that anyone in the PJ was aware that a single landfill site serviced the entire western half of the Algarve.  Anyone following that up would have taken days or weeks to work out what was going on.  Think about it.  Where is YOUR landfill site?

And ours is NOT restricted to rubbish from Luz.  Rubbish from much bigger places including Lagos, Portimão and Albufeira all go on it.  Within a day the stuff would have been covered over by tons of rubbish, from far and wide.

If this type of action has been carried out previously, I am not aware of it, so it would be an interesting update.  If it hasn't, it remains one of those things that is easy to say, assuming it has not been thought through.

[G-Unit]

I do know where my nearest landfill site is.  I believe that our general waste is taken straight there after collection (it's very close). if a child was reported missing in my area the same day that the general waste was collected I very much doubt if local police would head straight for the landfill site however.

[ShiningInLuz]

I do know where my nearest landfill site is.  I believe that our general waste is taken straight there after collection (it's very close). if a child was reported missing in my area the same day that the general waste was collected I very much doubt if local police would head straight for the landfill site however.

I lived in much the same neck of the woods for 30 years and I haven't got a clue where mine was.

[Alice Purjorick]

So you think alien abduction is definitely a possibility.....you are not alone it seems

Were the crime committed on Portuguese soil by anyone who was not of Portuguese nationality then it is self evident the crime was committed by an alien.
alien
ˈeɪlɪən/
adjective
adjective: alien
    1.
    belonging to a foreign country.

[Mr Gray]

Were the crime committed on Portuguese soil by anyone who was not of Portuguese nationality then it is self evident the crime was committed by an alien.
alien
ˈeɪlɪən/
adjective
adjective: alien
    1.
    belonging to a foreign country.

I was aware what you were trying to say......you have googled alien...now google synonym

[Mr Gray]

Were the crime committed on Portuguese soil by anyone who was not of Portuguese nationality then it is self evident the crime was committed by an alien.
alien
ˈeɪlɪən/
adjective
adjective: alien
    1.
    belonging to a foreign country.

now google alien abduction...which is the precise phrase I used......no mention of foreigners

[Alfred R Jones]

I do know where my nearest landfill site is.  I believe that our general waste is taken straight there after collection (it's very close). if a child was reported missing in my area the same day that the general waste was collected I very much doubt if local police would head straight for the landfill site however.

And yet we're led to believe that dumping dead kids bodies in bins is not an uncommon occurrence, so why wouldn't it occur to he police to check it out, not necessarily immediately, but say within a day or two of the missing child not turning up?

[Alfred R Jones]

In the case of Eugene Zappata I believe his wife's body was never found. He did however confess to putting her body parts in several large bins.

Who placed them in the bin ? Those guilty of a part in her disappearance.
Why was it placed there in the first place ? As a place of concealment with the hope that it would be found during the searches perhaps ?

It seems any response I give to this post will be deleted.  Whatever happened the freedom of speech Angelo was tootling on about a few day ago?

[Eleanor]

It would help if Off Topic Posts weren't quoted.

[Alfred R Jones]

It would help if Off Topic Posts weren't quoted.

It's somewhat galling when responses to off-topic posts are removed but the off-topic post itself isn't.  Anyway, I've started a new thread on the subject which has about as much chance of being approved as I have of being selected for the 1500 metres in Rio this year.

[Eleanor]

It's somewhat galling when responses to off-topic posts are removed but the off-topic post itself isn't.  Anyway, I've started a new thread on the subject which has about as much chance of being approved as I have of being selected for the 1500 metres in Rio this year.

I did delete a large number of them.  Sorry I missed that one.

[ShiningInLuz]

And yet we're led to believe that dumping dead kids bodies in bins is not an uncommon occurrence, so why wouldn't it occur to he police to check it out, not necessarily immediately, but say within a day or two of the missing child not turning up?

Check what out?  Within two days of Madeleine disappearing what Luz rubbish went into landfill was under tons and tons of landfill.  Perhaps at some point I'll work out a list of the towns and cities of Barlavento, the western half of the Algarve.

I would be astonished to find Luz contributes as much as 0.5% of the total.  The issue is not Luz rubbish.  If there was a landfill site devoted to Luz rubbish such a check would have made sense.  It is everyone else's rubbish in this half of the Algarve that is the issue.

The day after the disappearance the priority was the Tapas 9 and interviewing staff.  The idea that by say, Saturday, they should have stopped this to comb through ton after ton of rubbish does not stand up to scrutiny.

[Alfred R Jones]

Check what out?  Within two days of Madeleine disappearing what Luz rubbish went into landfill was under tons and tons of landfill.  Perhaps at some point I'll work out a list of the towns and cities of Barlavento, the western half of the Algarve.

I would be astonished to find Luz contributes as much as 0.5% of the total.  The issue is not Luz rubbish.  If there was a landfill site devoted to Luz rubbish such a check would have made sense.  It is everyone else's rubbish in this half of the Algarve that is the issue.

The day after the disappearance the priority was the Tapas 9 and interviewing staff.  The idea that by say, Saturday, they should have stopped this to comb through ton after ton of rubbish does not stand up to scrutiny.

So how many tons of rubbish get dumped at the local landfill each day?  As much as 1600 tons maybe, as in this landfill?http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Lost-Wedding-Ring-Tossed-Out-With-Trash---Found-Day-Later-At-Landfill-326808241.html   
It didn't stop the woman who lost her ring going to the landfill site to search for it, she had a lucky break too, whose to say the police wouldn't have had similar success, seeing as how dumping bodies in bins is apparently a not uncommon method of body disposal. And think how quickly they'd have found it had they deployed dogs such as the marvellous Eddie!  It would have taken him mere minutes, if not seconds.

[Alice Purjorick]

This may put it in better perspective:
>>>>>>snip However, there was a glimmer of hope. A recent storm damaged trees in Olson-Triplett's neighborhood and the truck that picked up her trash also picked up branches. Because of the extra pick ups, the truck ran behind schedule and by the time it arrived at the landfill, the landfill was closed. The truck hadn't been dumped yet.

Wednesday morning, Olson-Triplett and her husband rushed to the landfill and met the refuse workers who were preparing to dump nearly five tons of trash off the truck. Olson-Triplett kept her eyes open for her distinctive garbage bags: white with black ties. She said the moment she saw the bags, she started screaming. She said: "I knew those were our trash bags."

There were three bags in total. The first was nothing but trash. However, as soon as Olson-Triplett opened the second bag, her wedding ring fell to the ground. She fell on her knees and cried tears of joy. Now, whenever she looks at her ring, she will remember to always believe in miracles. She said: "This is a symbol miracles happen. Don't ever give up faith. No matter what, don't ever give up faith." <<<<<<< snip