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Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #180 on: February 05, 2016, 08:11:41 PM »
Not quite. SIL's grasp of the rubbish collection arrangements have been questioned.

By whom?

I've always found SIL to be someone who works through information to come to her own conclusions.

She also has the advantage of living in the area. If things have changed since the disappearance I'm sure that she can find out.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #181 on: February 05, 2016, 09:03:35 PM »
By whom?

I've always found SIL to be someone who works through information to come to her own conclusions.

She also has the advantage of living in the area. If things have changed since the disappearance I'm sure that she can find out.

SIL believed that rubbish went straight to landfill and was hand sorted. She thought this meant anything unusual  in the waste would have been spotted.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/body-disposal-the-wheelie-bins-defence-case/

That's not what happens to the waste, however, it goes to a transfer station first where it's tipped into a 'hopper' to be compacted. The question remains as to whether the hopper/compactor was there in 2007. The transfer station was.
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2015/11/22/madeleine-body-disposal-and-transfer-stations/
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #182 on: February 05, 2016, 09:05:33 PM »
By whom?

I've always found SIL to be someone who works through information to come to her own conclusions.

She also has the advantage of living in the area. If things have changed since the disappearance I'm sure that she can find out.

It is a shame Anne Guedes no longer posts on here as she has local knowledge, and could have provided a second opinion.

Other posters, including me, can only make conjectures.

Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #183 on: February 05, 2016, 09:15:30 PM »
By whom?

I've always found SIL to be someone who works through information to come to her own conclusions.

She also has the advantage of living in the area. If things have changed since the disappearance I'm sure that she can find out.

Shining is an asset to the forum.  Her local knowledge is invaluable she never posts without having thoroughly checking for primary sources if possible; her research skills are to be envied.

I for one congratulate her tenacity in the work she has carried out particularly on the phone calls https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/page/2/

For the time being, I think I prefer to go with her local knowledge combined with research ... I'm sure if she discovers she is in error about anything, she will let us know.

I remember the conversation which took place regarding disposal of rubbish ... no doubt she will revisit it if she finds anything new to impart.

I know that she is capable of expanding and revisiting posts on her blog.  Oh that there were more open minds to match hers among those who involve themselves in Madeleine's case.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #184 on: February 05, 2016, 10:12:57 PM »
It is a shame Anne Guedes no longer posts on here as she has local knowledge, and could have provided a second opinion.

Other posters, including me, can only make conjectures.
Just to interject on this point, please may I clarify?

Anne Guedes has commented on my blog on my posts on this subject.

I have a policy on comments on my blog, and they are pretty much akin to the rules of this forum.  Be civil, no libel etc.  If someone does that and posts a comment that contradicts my personal opinion, it gets published.  You can find several such comments.  My blog is not SIL rules.  If you wish to comment then Wordpress, not me, stacks your very first comment up for my explicit approval before it appears.  If you then comment again using THE SAME ORIGINATING DETAILS, Wordpress automatically approves it.  Should I object to the comment I have to manually take it down.

Spam goes into a spam folder, so may I concentrate on non-spam comments?

The stats to date are simple. 100% of comments received have been published.  Not a single one has ever been taken down.

Anne Guedes is not a prolific comment maker on my blog.  From her comments, she is of the opinion that the transfer station was a compacting station in 2007.  I believe this was based on a phone call to the station.  I have no info on when this call was made.  I have no info on how the conversation went, what questions were put, or the answers.

She made a comment to the effect that a phone call had established this was a compacting station in 2007.  I was happy to allow that comment to remain on my blog.  It is still there.  You can still see it.  I happen to be of the opinion it was not, based on what the site looks like in Google Earth at the time.

This is not a case of is Anne correct or am I correct.  It is a case of does it make a difference?

Lots of waste in Luz still goes into the rubbish without being sorted out into recyclables, toxic waste, and 'OK' waste.  And it still has to be picked over, by law, to achieve a number of things, notably the removal of toxic waste.

I have yet to see a general waste lorry that does not use compaction at the point of pick-up.  Therefore I am in agreement with Anne that such general waste was definitely compacted at at least one point before it's final destination.

Anne and I appear to be in disagreement over whether the transfer station was a compacting station.  As I have said, this disagreement is public on my blog, so you can see it for yourself.

The waste was probably compacted at the pick-up point.  Whether it was compacted at a transfer station is in issue.  However, to conduct the removal of toxic waste requires that it was de-compacted at the dump site, and picked through to take out stuff that was not legal.

Can I prove with 100% certainty that Madeleine did not suffer this fate?  No, I clearly can't.

The trigger for the article on my blog was a news story about the body of very, very young child which had been found at the landfill site for the rubbish in southern Lisbon.  The report was dark, because it was unclear whether the child's body had been put into rubbish as it was found, decapitated and in bits and pieces.  Or whether the body went in whole, and the sorting machinery inflicted the damage.

Could Madeleine have evaded such checks?  Yes.  But in a civil or criminal court, you would have to place a whole lot more in front of me to get me to vote that it happened.

Based on the information I have, there is no reason to believe that Madeleine died in apartment 5A, and there is no reason to believe that she ended up in a wheelie bin on this side of the Algarve.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #185 on: February 05, 2016, 10:44:21 PM »
I agree, SIL. We don't know for sure. I think the point is that it was possible, it can't be ruled out. There's no necessity for a death to have occurred in G5A, it could have occurred elsewhere.  The other child being there shows it can happen.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #186 on: February 05, 2016, 11:05:44 PM »
I agree, SIL. We don't know for sure. I think the point is that it was possible, it can't be ruled out. There's no necessity for a death to have occurred in G5A, it could have occurred elsewhere.  The other child being there shows it can happen.
Everything is possible and nothing can be ruled out, but this includes dozens of highly unlikely scenarios.  Do we seriously have to give equal weight to each one?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #187 on: February 05, 2016, 11:15:55 PM »
Everything is possible and nothing can be ruled out, but this includes dozens of highly unlikely scenarios.  Do we seriously have to give equal weight to each one?

No of course not but one that does have validity, as it has been seen in other crimes, is that the body was placed in a wheelie bin and ended it's journey in landfill.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #188 on: February 05, 2016, 11:28:39 PM »
Everything is possible and nothing can be ruled out, but this includes dozens of highly unlikely scenarios.  Do we seriously have to give equal weight to each one?

Are you saying the rubbish disposal was 'highly unlikely'? Well, let's take the man who entered villas and children's bedrooms. A refuse collection was heard going on in the background, I believe. Now there's someone who may know all about how it works.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #189 on: February 05, 2016, 11:33:11 PM »
Everything is possible and nothing can be ruled out, but this includes dozens of highly unlikely scenarios.  Do we seriously have to give equal weight to each one?

I'm surprised alien abduction hasn't received more attention given the respect sceptics have shown for Richard D Hall
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #190 on: February 05, 2016, 11:36:24 PM »
No of course not but one that does have validity, as it has been seen in other crimes, is that the body was placed in a wheelie bin and ended it's journey in landfill.
a body that was found shortly after ending its journey presumably. Who place it in the bin?  Why was it placed there in the first place?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #191 on: February 05, 2016, 11:40:45 PM »
Are you saying the rubbish disposal was 'highly unlikely'? Well, let's take the man who entered villas and children's bedrooms. A refuse collection was heard going on in the background, I believe. Now there's someone who may know all about how it works.
I'm not sure I follow...

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #192 on: February 05, 2016, 11:41:00 PM »
Everything is possible and nothing can be ruled out, but this includes dozens of highly unlikely scenarios.  Do we seriously have to give equal weight to each one?
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I'm surprised alien abduction hasn't received more attention given the respect sceptics have shown for Richard D Hall

Were she abducted by someone who was not a Portuguese national then by definition it would have abduction by an alien ..................and definitely a possibility.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #193 on: February 05, 2016, 11:47:03 PM »
a body that was found shortly after ending its journey presumably. Who place it in the bin?  Why was it placed there in the first place?

In the case of Eugene Zappata I believe his wife's body was never found. He did however confess to putting her body parts in several large bins.

Who placed them in the bin ? Those guilty of a part in her disappearance.
Why was it placed there in the first place ? As a place of concealment with the hope that it would be found during the searches perhaps ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!
« Reply #194 on: February 05, 2016, 11:51:10 PM »
Were she abducted by someone who was not a Portuguese national then by definition it would have abduction by an alien ..................and definitely a possibility.

So you think alien abduction is definitely a possibility.....you are not alone it seems