Gonçalo Amaral should never have been taken off the case!

[ferryman]

He's making up stories like he did in The Cipriano Case.  Anything, no matter how absurd, to give credence to his ridiculous determination to blame The McCanns, mainly Kate McCann.

Indubitably .....

[stephen25000]

He's making up stories like he did in The Cipriano Case.  Anything, no matter how absurd, to give credence to his ridiculous determination to blame The McCanns, mainly Kate McCann.

What made up stories ?

Cites please.

As to the mccanns, they are the people whose behaviour triggered this case.

No doubt on that, whatsoever.

[Mr Gray]

What made up stories ?

Cites please.

As to the mccanns, they are the people whose behaviour triggered this case.

No doubt on that, whatsoever.

I would say that MW encouraging parents to use baby listening services must take some blame

[pathfinder73]

No doubt we will end up having it anyway.  However to make it work I think it would be necessary that provenance be provided that reception of a coffin had indeed occurred on the date in question, had lain overnight in the church and was committed to a crematorium for a funeral.
That is just for starters.
How on earth was a man who saw intelligence officers or the equivalent lurking in every corner to pervert the course of justice as interpreted by him ... allowed anywhere near any police operation let alone to head a missing child investigation?

It was the weekend of 2/3 June 2007 so get investigating the church and those dates if you want to prove him wrong.

"He is suggesting Kate and Gerry moved Madeleine’s body a month after she vanished."

[Mr Gray]

Far better to have a SY SIO who fitted up an innocent man and sent him to prison for years lead up Operation Grange, I totally agree with you Brietta

LOL

amaral fitted up cipriano and sent her to prison for years

[slartibartfast]

It requires the retrieval of the body from wherever it was being stored before.

It requires the transport of the body to the church, whether on foot or by car.

It requires the transfer from a car into the church, if a car was used.

If the coffin was closed, it requires the opening of the coffin and the closing of the coffin.

I assume, but do not know, that the coffin would be open, to enable the body to be viewed.  If so, concealing Madeleine's body in it was one of the riskiest parts of this operation.  After all, who else had a key to the church to allow such a clandestine operation to be carried out?

Are people undergoing cremation permitted to be within a Catholic or Anglican church?  I saw a programme last week about, amongst other things, the first crematorium in Britain.  It arose because atheists did not agree with the Anglican church that bodies should always be buried.

As Luz is in a Catholic land, I would need to see evidence that those to be cremated are permitted in the church.

Since this clandestine operation would have had to have been done at night, I would need to understand why a coffin intended for cremation was permitted to remain there overnight.  If it was because a funeral service had been conducted, then surely the coffin should have been removed after that?  If it was because a funeral service was to be conducted the next day, how did the McCanns know the coffin was there?

Did the McCanns know the coffin was to be cremated?  If so, how?

Does the cremation angle matter a jot?  From the role play of the McCanns as villains, I mean.  If they had stuck the body into a burial coffin (and a burial coffin seems much more likely in that church), would it make a difference to them if the operation was successful? By successful, I mean they got the body into the coffin undetected, and the coffin was buried without incident.  Was someone going to dig that coffin up again, and check just in case? Or for another reason?

The cremation angle matters in Amaral's tale though.  It is necessary from that angle that the coffin (or coffins) around that time cannot be identified and dug up.  The coffin has to be cremated to stymie this act.

Now let's turn to this source.  How and when did the source get this information.  Directly, by observing the act?  Permitting the act to continue I would be fairly sure is illegal.  I cannot see how the parents of a missing child can place her corpse in someone else's coffin, with the intent of disposing of the body, and permitting the act to continue be legal.  So an observer was duty bound to stop the act or, as a minimum, report the act to the police in a prompt manner, certainly before any burial or cremation.

Perhaps the source was told this by another person, after the cremation had occurred?  One simply goes up the food chain to repeat exactly the same argument.  This new person had to observe act, and fail to stop it or report it.

Let's refocus on the source.  If credible, such a source has damning evidence against the McCanns.  Enough to sink them in a criminal case.  Get a witness to give testimony that the McCanns did this and the McCanns are toast.

Bear in mind that a witness in Portugal is obliged to answer all questions truthfully, therefore a wipe-out of the McCanns was guaranteed.  No such wipe-out happened.

This idea is one of the myths surrounding Madeleine McCann.  They are easy to create, and easy to tell.  They gain credence from many, who retell them as the truth or even as a possible truth.  Examine them carefully and they just don't stand up to scrutiny.

The idea is nonsense.  Madeleine did not go into someone else's coffin and get cremated.  The McCanns did not put her body in someone else's coffin in a clandestine operation in the middle of the night.

Clearly you don't understand the funeral business.

[slartibartfast]

then there must be a lot you do not understand...I find your statement astonishing

Why?

[ShiningInLuz]

Clearly you don't understand the funeral business.

With all due respect, can I kindly ROFL?

I went into bat for your right to ask the question you did.

Your one liner is I don't understand the funeral business. What??

Well done, you have just succeed in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[slartibartfast]

With all due respect, can I kindly ROFL?

I went into bat for your right to ask the question you did.

Your one liner is I don't understand the funeral business. What??

Well done, you have just succeed in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

It's not a question of defeat or victory. Your post contained a number of inaccuracies.

Is the coffin open or closed...do you have a screwdriver?

Are coffins allowed in churches prior to cremation...the vast majority of church funeral services both Anglican and catholic go for cremation.

Coffins are often carried into churches the night before funeral services and remain overnight.

[Mr Gray]

It's not a question of defeat or victory. Your post contained a number of inaccuracies.

Is the coffin open or closed...do you have a screwdriver?

Are coffins allowed in churches prior to cremation...the vast majority of church funeral services both Anglican and catholic go for cremation.

Coffins are often carried into churches the night before funeral services and remain overnight.

so are you suggesting it is possible that maddie was placed in a strangers coffin

[slartibartfast]

so are you suggesting it is possible that maddie was placed in a strangers coffin

I'm suggesting that some of the arguments against it are wrong.

[mercury]

With all due respect, can I kindly ROFL?

I went into bat for your right to ask the question you did.

Your one liner is I don't understand the funeral business. What??

Well done, you have just succeed in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

whats the difference between the possibility someone made sure a child was cremated and  kate mccann leaving her two kids behind ready to be abducted on top of her first born for all she knew...have a good think

[Brietta]

whats the difference between the possibility someone made sure a child was cremated and  kate mccann leaving her two kids behind ready to be abducted on top of her first born for all she knew...have a good think

The pet crematorium was checked out ... and why wouldn't it be? ... but was found to be a complete non starter.  I believe the theory then was that Madeleine's remains had been concealed within the corpse of a large dog ... a golden lab or retriever ???

The starting point for Mr Amaral's latest wheeze (apparently not mentioned prior to 2014) is confirmation that there was a body in the church at the time in question which went on to be cremated.

The onus is on any who claim Mr Amaral's theory is possible whether or not it is in the slightest probable ... to come up with that information.

[ShiningInLuz]

It's not a question of defeat or victory. Your post contained a number of inaccuracies.

Is the coffin open or closed...do you have a screwdriver?

Are coffins allowed in churches prior to cremation...the vast majority of church funeral services both Anglican and catholic go for cremation.

Coffins are often carried into churches the night before funeral services and remain overnight.

Please cite the in-accuracies.  Not hard.

A number of people were after you, personally, for your relatively crude post. I chose to look into what actually happened.

Coffins, with a screwdriver. Please get into 2016.  I do NOT own a working screwdriver in the Algarve, as of this date.

Time to wrap your mind around, what the McCanns might have done, and what they were incapable of.

[mercury]

The pet crematorium was checked out ... and why wouldn't it be? ... but was found to be a complete non starter.  I believe the theory then was that Madeleine's remains had been concealed within the corpse of a large dog ... a golden lab or retriever ???

The starting point for Mr Amaral's latest wheeze (apparently not mentioned prior to 2014) is confirmation that there was a body in the church at the time in question which went on to be cremated.

The onus is on any who claim Mr Amaral's theory is possible whether or not it is in the slightest probable ... to come up with that information.

You didnt solve the puzzle or come anywhere near  but best wishes for taking part