Wandering Off Topic

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So you've introduced a scenario you don't think happened, what DO you think happened?

I strongly suspect that Madeleine died in the apartment. The rest is speculation because based on the witness testimony it’s difficult to make any explanation fit. Exactly the same applies for the abduction theory as well IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Matthew didn't know that the child was missing. All he knew was that he hadn't seen her, and he wondered where she slept. If he said nothing who was calling "Madeleine"? Or was Mrs Carpenter hearing things? Or did her husband misremember what time he left the Tapas complex?

You're moving the goalposts of the discussion.  We had Billy suggesting Matt had found Madeleine missing and come back to the table to let the Mccanns know.  My questions were based on that premise, not the premise you have now introduced which is a blatantly daft one ie: that he didn't know the child was missing but couldn't see her, wondered where she slept, and called out her name loud enough for others to hear.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I strongly suspect that Madeleine died in the apartment. The rest is speculation because based on the witness testimony it’s difficult to make any explanation fit. Exactly the same applies for the abduction theory as well IMO.

Exactly - no plausible or logical theory of parental abduction exists, unlike with abduction which is much, much simpler to explain IMO (though you seem to refuse to accept any of the plausible and logical scenarios describing it).

[G-Unit]

You're moving the goalposts of the discussion.  We had Billy suggesting Matt had found Madeleine missing and come back to the table to let the Mccanns know.  My questions were based on that premise, not the premise you have now introduced which is a blatantly daft one ie: that he didn't know the child was missing but couldn't see her, wondered where she slept, and called out her name loud enough for others to hear.

I never said he called Madeleine's name, but Mrs Carpenter said someone did and it was before 10pm. If we take Mrs Carpenter seriously then someone was looking for Madeleine before the McCanns friends did so after 10pm. I can think of no reason why anyone except one of the group would be doing that.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I never said he called Madeleine's name, but Mrs Carpenter said someone did and it was before 10pm. If we take Mrs Carpenter seriously then someone was looking for Madeleine before the McCanns friends did so after 10pm. I can think of no reason why anyone except one of the group would be doing that.

Which member of the group are you referring to then?  I think you are deliberately being obtuse to make this discussion impossible to follow.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So Madeleine has this freak accident, plummeting to almost sudden death aftet the parents went to dinner.  Who discovers her dead and at what time?

Let's return to this question shall we?  Lets those who believe Madeleine had a fatal fall after the McCanns went to dinner try and make sense of what happened next.  I guarantee they won't be able to do so.

[Eleanor]

This Thread has now descended into the realms of fantasy..

[G-Unit]

This Thread has now descended into the realms of fantasy..

Based on the statement of Mrs Carpenter, unless she was fantacizing.

[Brietta]

Based on the statement of Mrs Carpenter, unless she was fantacizing.

What did Mrs Carpenter actually say in her statement?

[Eleanor]

Based on the statement of Mrs Carpenter, unless she was fantacizing.

Please feel free to carry on.  I really don't mind.

[jassi]

What did Mrs Carpenter actually say in her statement?

According to an earlier post, it's not in the public domain. Only the of Mr Carpenter is available.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Please feel free to carry on.  I really don't mind.

Except she won’t because it’s enough just to smear by innuendo, and far too difficult to lay cards on the table and spit out exactly what she’s on about.  Yes, I know, forum rules don’t permit it, another hugely convenient excuse to allowing the smearing by innuendo to continue.  IMO.

[Eleanor]

According to an earlier post, it's not in the public domain. Only the of Mr Carpenter is available.

So relegated to fantasy.  But never mind.  We have to talk about something in these lean days.  So long as it implicates The McCanns.

[Eleanor]

Except she won’t because it’s enough just to smear by innuendo, and far too difficult to lay cards on the table and spit out exactly what she’s on about.  Yes, I know, forum rules don’t permit it, another hugely convenient excuse to allowing the smearing by innuendo to continue.  IMO.

Snap.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Exactly - no plausible or logical theory of parental abduction exists, unlike with abduction which is much, much simpler to explain IMO (though you seem to refuse to accept any of the plausible and logical scenarios describing it).

Read what Jim Gamble said about the case. I know you probably have already. But in the majority of missing children cases there is family involvement. You have to start there. I know that carrying a child out of the window is nigh on impossible then you have to ask why is it open? Changing entry method of checks has been described as a “red flag” by a retired criminal investigator. The two Tapas employee testimony that state Gerry was away for half an hour needed to be rigorously checked. The Smithman sighting is significant. I’ve read some reports that the PJ had accounted for Totman so why was a 9:15 abduction pursued for so long? Because the ground wasn’t cleared from under their feet we are now left with a mess!! The biggest irony is the PJ failure was actually pursuing an abductor before they had cleared the ground.