Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'll throw in a totally hypothetical scenario.... Matt Oldfield finds her missing at 9:30pm, he also checks the master bedroom but can't see her and then returns to either report all is quiet.... or maybe he tells Gerry he didn't see Madeleine. Gerry is then absent for half an hour as per the two employee witness statements.

It's Rachael who alludes to this, imo, when asked "for completeness" what did Matt tell you he saw.... she replies: "he could see that the twins were in their cots and there was no sound, erm so he just assumed everything was alright, he didnt put his head round the door to see if Madeleine was in her bed, but he said he did wonder where she slept, erm poked his head, well you know kind of looked into Gerry and Kates room, just saw there was a double bed there, so you know, assumed they were all in together or, I mean I think he knew that they were all in together, erm but he didnt actually look to see whether Madeleine was there or not'. "

"He did wonder where she slept" might imo imply he wondered where she slept because he can't see her in the children's room... and then logically as Racael states he checks the other bedroom.

So basically in your scenario the entire group is involved in a cover up or just Matthew?  Why on earth in the latter scenario would you not tell the parents that the child you had gone to check on was missing? 

[Myster]

I'll tell you what I consider is  nigh on impossible and that's to carry a 3 year old out of the 5A bedroom window!

Yeah... but you probably don't have Chris Bonington Brueckner's expertise...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html

[Eleanor]

There were three different ways in and out of that appartment.  No one needs to prove exactly how it was done.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yeah... but you probably don't have Chris Bonington Brueckner's expertise...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html

I wonder how the abductor managed to kidnap a 20 month old baby out of a first floor room with a sash window?  Madeleine may have been twice the weight and size but is that the only factor that makes it impossible according to some…?

[G-Unit]

So basically in your scenario the entire group is involved in a cover up or just Matthew?  Why on earth in the latter scenario would you not tell the parents that the child you had gone to check on was missing?

Maybe he did? Stephen Carpenter, who left the Tapas complex between 9.15 and 9.30pm;

My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Maybe he did? Stephen Carpenter, who left the Tapas complex between 9.15 and 9.30pm;

My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

Can you give a plausible, logical explanation for why a man sent to check on someone else's child would, on finding her missing from her bed, go looking for her and then on failing to find her, not mention it to the child's parents on his return to the table?  Or - why (if he did tell the parents and therefore everyone else at the table) they all decided to lie about this?

[Eleanor]

Can you give a plausible, logical explanation for why a man sent to check on someone else's child would, on finding her missing from her bed, go looking for her and then on failing to find her, not mention it to the child's parents on his return to the table?  Or - why (if he did tell the parents and therefore everyone else at the table) they all decided to lie about this?

Scrapping Rotten Old Barrels.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Scrapping Rotten Old Barrels.

I'm expecting the sound of deafening silence in reply to my question.

[Eleanor]

I'm expecting the sound of deafening silence in reply to my question.

There isn't one.  Other than what I said.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yeah... but you probably don't have Chris Bonington Brueckner's expertise...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html

Chris Bonington is one of my heroes, along with Mallory, Hillary, Messner & three times Everest attempter, Brian Blessed.

I have read far too many books on the mighty mountain, seen countless docus & have been totally obsessed with the thing since I was about 12.

It's incredible I know but I do have interests other than supporting Christian Brueckner.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Chris Bonington is one of my heroes, along with Mallory, Hillary, Messner & three times Everest attempter, Brian Blessed.

I have read far too many books on the mighty mountain, seen countless docus & have been totally obsessed with the thing since I was about 12.

It's incredible I know but I do have interests other than supporting Christian Brueckner.

Have you ever considered climbing it yourself?  If it's finances putting you off we could start a Crowdfunder.

[G-Unit]

Can you give a plausible, logical explanation for why a man sent to check on someone else's child would, on finding her missing from her bed, go looking for her and then on failing to find her, not mention it to the child's parents on his return to the table?  Or - why (if he did tell the parents and therefore everyone else at the table) they all decided to lie about this?

You are assuming that speaking to one of Madeleine's parents would involve everyone at the table hearing the conversation. There were individual conversations taking place however;

4078    ”Can you remember what conversation was going on in the time before Kate discovered Madeleine missing?”

 Reply    ”Well again now, because err you know when you’ve got a group of nine people you’re not all talking…”

 

 4078    ”No.”

 Reply    ”In the middle of the table, you know, I would be, I was probably talking to Russell when he came back you know and talking about the fact he’d got a new steak, he didn’t get a warmed up one.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

So Matthew could have asked one of the parents where Madeleine slept without being heard by everyone. The answer would have reassured him if he hadn't checked that bed. If he had, then that parent may have decided to check for themselves; especially her mother, who had told her friends earlier that the patio doors were left open so Madeleine could get out.

So the disappearance could have been discovered at 9.30pm - 9.40pm, even if the alarm wasn't raised until 10pm.

This hypothesis is IMO. 

[G-Unit]

Scrapping Rotten Old Barrels.

Best thing to do with them imo, no point in scraping them.

[Eleanor]

Best thing to do with them imo, no point in scraping them.

Oh Gosh.  Well Done.  Open Season now, is it?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So basically in your scenario the entire group is involved in a cover up or just Matthew?  Why on earth in the latter scenario would you not tell the parents that the child you had gone to check on was missing?

I think you would obviously. Such a scenario is perhaps supported by the two employee statements who talks about Gerry being absent for half an hour. It doesn’t necessarily mean anyone else in the groups knows hypothetically speaking and imo. To continue with this hypothetical scenario Gerry could come back and say everything is fine (Matt’s only not sure if she’s there). Kate finds the scene she found. It doesn’t fit the final version of the T9 timeline but discrepancies are normal as to checks and exact times and then all those translations!!! It’s not what I think happened but IMO it’s far more plausible than someone climbing out of the window with Madeleine which is nigh on impossible.