Wandering Off Topic

[carlymichelle]

You posted as fact that sometimes an innocent person takes the right to silence and by inference you implied that Kate McCann was such a person.  The McCann case aside, I asked you to cite an example of where the innocent mother of a missing child refused to cooperate with the police.  I think you will have trouble finding such an example because in the real world this just doesn't happen.

some might  think  that the mcanns were  too  worried about getting out of the mess they created  they thought they were above the police

[Mr Gray]

So how do you know?

Colin Stagg

[Mr Gray]

You posted as fact that sometimes an innocent person takes the right to silence and by inference you implied that Kate McCann was such a person.  The McCann case aside, I asked you to cite an example of where the innocent mother of a missing child refused to cooperate with the police.  I think you will have trouble finding such an example because in the real world this just doesn't happen.

using your logic can you  provide a cite where the mother of a missing child has refused to answer questions and been found guilty

[misty]

http://www.missingkids.com/content/dam/ncmec/en_us/desktop/publications/pdf6a.pdf

Whilst this was written for US families who are unfortunate enough to have a child go missing, the advice provided was largely followed by the McCanns in the first months following Madeleine's disappearance. Quite why someone who has co-operated so fully with the investigating force when it mattered most should be condemned for not answering questions some 4 months later, which were no more than a fishing expedition, is beyond me.

[slartibartfast]

Colin Stagg

Can you provide an external cite to Colin Stagg not answering questions?

[Mr Gray]

Can you provide an external cite to Colin Stagg not answering questions?

I will tomorrow.... Again I have done so before

[G-Unit]

http://www.missingkids.com/content/dam/ncmec/en_us/desktop/publications/pdf6a.pdf

Whilst this was written for US families who are unfortunate enough to have a child go missing, the advice provided was largely followed by the McCanns in the first months following Madeleine's disappearance. Quite why someone who has co-operated so fully with the investigating force when it mattered most should be condemned for not answering questions some 4 months later, which were no more than a fishing expedition, is beyond me.

What works geographically and culturally in one country doesn't necessarily work elsewhere. I have seen no evidence of full cooperation by Kate McCann, unless one statement is what you're referring to?

[Alice Purjorick]

It would certainly point to a highly disorganised system, if true.

What would it point to were it not true?

[misty]

What works geographically and culturally in one country doesn't necessarily work elsewhere. I have seen no evidence of full cooperation by Kate McCann, unless one statement is what you're referring to?

Did the parents deny the Portuguese FLO access to their lives at the time? He would have gained far more insight than any twice-translated statement.

[Angelo222]

using your logic can you  provide a cite where the mother of a missing child has refused to answer questions and been found guilty

There are lots of cases where mothers have been found guilty of murdering their own child after initially refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Cases include Aliayah Lunsford, Mikaeel Kular, Jhessye Shockley, Timothy Wiltsey and Kimberly Lopez for starters.

[G-Unit]

Did the parents deny the Portuguese FLO access to their lives at the time? He would have gained far more insight than any twice-translated statement.

I have no idea how much access any FLO had to their lives. Paiva had dealings with them and said in January 2010;

Asked if he had ever got the impression from the McCanns that they thought Madeleine could be dead, he said: "Yes."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id296.htm

[Brietta]

There are lots of cases where mothers have been found guilty of murdering their own child after initially refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Cases include Aliayah Lunsford, Mikaeel Kular, Jhessye Shockley, Timothy Wiltsey and Kimberly Lopez for starters.

The background to the cases of child murder involving a parent or someone close to the child with which I am familiar almost invariably concern children who are already on an at risk register and/or whose guardians are suffering known psychological problems.
There is always evidence the children were subject to abuse and neglect.  There is always evidence against the perpetrator. 

Kate and Gerry McCann do not fall into that category as the PJ investigation proved.

[G-Unit]

The background to the cases of child murder involving a parent or someone close to the child with which I am familiar almost invariably concern children who are already on an at risk register and/or whose guardians are suffering known psychological problems.
There is always evidence the children were subject to abuse and neglect.  There is always evidence against the perpetrator. 

Kate and Gerry McCann do not fall into that category as the PJ investigation proved.

I don't think anyone ever accused the McCanns or anyone else close to the child of murdering Madeleine.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't think anyone ever accused the McCanns or anyone else close to the child of murdering Madeleine.

When you say “anyone “ do you mean anyone ever, or anyone in authority? 

[Mr Gray]

There are lots of cases where mothers have been found guilty of murdering their own child after initially refusing to cooperate with investigators.

Cases include Aliayah Lunsford, Mikaeel Kular, Jhessye Shockley, Timothy Wiltsey and Kimberly Lopez for starters.

You need to provide a link to show non co-operation... A list of names provrs nothing the first one I looked at was convicted from inconsistencies in her statement  showing she cooperated

Michael Kulars mother cooperated with the police too... I doubt any of the people named took the right to silence... You have not provided a cite