Wandering Off Topic

[Angelo222]

As has been pointed out -  the Portuguese have primacy in this case, so it would be a very foolish course of action to take to ignore evidence which they have access to and which they are pursuing as part of the investigation.

Don't you realise by now that this case is a poisoned chalice for the Portuguese police?  No officer wants to be publicly associated with it in case he is called Tweedledee, Tweedledum or a F....ing Tosser by Kate McCann.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It does make you wonder if junior officers working on OG ever mentioned the Smithman efits and Mr Smith's statement. The inquiry seems to have decided early on that the McCanns 'were where they said they were' to use Commander Foy's words.

Probably because of the numerous witnesses that put them in the places they said they were at the time of the Smithman sighting. 

[Erngath]

I'l settle for corruption at the top - politicians and their backers.

So corruption at the highest level in both governments?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Don't you realise by now that this case is a poisoned chalice for the Portuguese police?  No officer wants to be publicly associated with it in case he is called Tweedledee, Tweedledum or a F....ing Tosser by Kate McCann.

What a ludicrous assertion.  Are the Portuguese really that terrified of the opinion of Kate McCann?  Surely they would love nothing better to be able to nail the McCanns' sorry arses to the wall of some Portuguese prison for sweet revenge on the poor sods that got so terribly slandered by the evil witch so what's stopping them?

[carlymichelle]

Don't you realise by now that this case is a poisoned chalice for the Portuguese police?  No officer wants to be publicly associated with it in case he is called Tweedledee, Tweedledum or a F....ing Tosser by Kate McCann.

not only that but some  supporters accused  portugese  police  of being involved with maddies abduction etc on diffrent forums and facebook etc

[Angelo222]

Until or if  we hear otherwise the "McCanns story" is also the story being believed by the current police investigation IMO.

What the police think privately is not necessarily the same as they promote publicly, I thought you would have known that Erngath?   Or could it be that you have applied a sprinkling of wishful thinking fairydust to that view?

[Angelo222]

What a ludicrous assertion.  Are the Portuguese really that terrified of the opinion of Kate McCann?  Surely they would love nothing better to be able to nail the McCanns' sorry arses to the wall of some Portuguese prison for sweet revenge on the poor sods that got so terribly slandered by the evil witch so what's stopping them?

How many careers has it destroyed so far?

As for nailing arses to the wall, my file on post disappearance events could very well achieve that.

[G-Unit]

Probably because of the numerous witnesses that put them in the places they said they were at the time of the Smithman sighting.

As all times given by those witnesses and by the Smith family were approximate I don't see them as irrefutable.

[Vertigo Swirl]

How many careers has it destroyed so far?

As for nailing arses to the wall, my file on post disappearance events could very well achieve that.

I don't know, why don't you tell us how many careers the case has destroyed so far - list all the victims here...
Glad to know that you're the one that's finally going to crack the case and get arses nailed though.

[jassi]

So corruption at the highest level in both governments?

You don't believe governments and politicians are  corrupt?
How touchingly naive.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As all times given by those witnesses and by the Smith family were approximate I don't see them as irrefutable.

Even giving or taking ten minutes each way on every single statement hardly allows sufficient time for a man to leave the dining table, change his clothes, retrieve a corpse from it's hiding place, walk beyond the distance of the Smiths sighting, find another suitable hiding place, return to the his apartment, change back into his earlier clothes and return to the table several minutes before his wife gets up to go to the apartment.  Not only that, but it requires for those seated at the table during his protracted absence whilst supposedly hiding a body to all forget to mention this protracted absence just before the alarm was raised.
So, in short I would say that unless you believe all the Tapas group are very forgetful indeed or covering up, it's pretty irrefutable.

[barrier]

You don't believe governments and politicians are  corrupt?
How touchingly naive.

Watch the third part of the Thorpe trilogy tonight it'll maybe show it.

[Angelo222]

I don't know, why don't you tell us how many careers the case has destroyed so far - list all the victims here...
Glad to know that you're the one that's finally going to crack the case and get arses nailed though.

I have not claimed that I could crack the case as far as the child's disappearance is concerned.

[Angelo222]

Even giving or taking ten minutes each way on every single statement hardly allows sufficient time for a man to leave the dining table, change his clothes, retrieve a corpse from it's hiding place, walk beyond the distance of the Smiths sighting, find another suitable hiding place, return to the his apartment, change back into his earlier clothes and return to the table several minutes before his wife gets up to go to the apartment.  Not only that, but it requires for those seated at the table during his protracted absence whilst supposedly hiding a body to all forget to mention this protracted absence just before the alarm was raised.
So, in short I would say that unless you believe all the Tapas group are very forgetful indeed or covering up, it's pretty irrefutable.

The last time Maddie was seen in public was around 5.30pm.  The disappearance was announced after 10pm so by my calculations that gives a window of 4½ hours in which only David Payne, Matthew Oldfield and Maddie's parents allegedly visited the apartment. Curiously, Payne's recollection of that event is somewhat different to Kate McCanns.  More false memory syndrome?

Even stranger is that Oldfield failed to see Maddie when he visited the apartment around 9.30pm yet her bed was right beside the bedroom door. In his first police statement he said he merely listened at the door of apartment 5a but later said he had gone in and noticed that the room seemed lighter than the others, as if the shutters had been opened. He cannot be certain whether Madeleine was there.

Probably because she wasn't!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

The last time Maddie was seen in public was around 5.30pm.  The disappearance was announced after 10pm so by my calculations that gives a window of 4½ hours in which only David Payne, Matthew Oldfield and Maddie's parents allegedly visited the apartment. Curiously, Payne's recollection of that event is somewhat different to Kate McCanns.  More false memory syndrome?

My post pertained specifically to the improbability of Gerry being Smithman - perhaps you could address that point?