Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

I don't believe Brietta is blaming the internet but indeed she is blaming some of humankind and their misuse of it.

Everyone who uses the internet does so in their own way and for their own reasons. It's used fpr good and bad, to inform and misinform, to educate and to propagate. Each to his own, I say. I can criticise others but they can criticise me too. I don't think human nature can be controlled and it can be seen in all it''s forms on the internet. I will always choose freedom of expression over censorship.

[Erngath]

Everyone who uses the internet does so in their own way and for their own reasons. It's used fpr good and bad, to inform and misinform, to educate and to propagate. Each to his own, I say. I can criticise others but they can criticise me too. I don't think human nature can be controlled and it can be seen in all it''s forms on the internet. I will always choose freedom of expression over censorship.

Does freedom of expression include the freedom to express  racist, homophobic, bigotted etc views?
Does this freedom of expression include the freedom to denigrate others?
Or do you accept that some censorship is necessary.

Just interested to know.

[Brietta]

Everyone who uses the internet does so in their own way and for their own reasons. It's used fpr good and bad, to inform and misinform, to educate and to propagate. Each to his own, I say. I can criticise others but they can criticise me too. I don't think human nature can be controlled and it can be seen in all it''s forms on the internet. I will always choose freedom of expression over censorship.

We are told there is a well hidden dark side to the web ... should freedom of expression reign there too?

[Eleanor]

We are told there is a well hidden dark side to the web ... should freedom of expression reign there too?

It seems to.  Until they catch them at it.

[G-Unit]

Does freedom of expression include the freedom to express  racist, homophobic, bigotted etc views?
Does this freedom of expression include the freedom to denigrate others?
Or do you accept that some censorship is necessary.

Just interested to know.

I would never support censorship in any shape or form. What right has anyone to decide what I see, hear or read?
Educating people changes their views, censorship doesn't.

[Mr Gray]

I would never support censorship in any shape or form. What right has anyone to decide what I see, hear or read?
Educating people changes their views, censorship doesn't.

Adolph Hitler educated his population to kill millions of Jews...I think some sort of control on speech is essential..

[G-Unit]

Adolph Hitler educated his population to kill millions of Jews...I think some sort of control on speech is essential..

Not exactly. The Nazi Party made use of propaganda and censorship, not education. There were many decent people in Europe, including Germans, who did their best to help the Jews.

[Brietta]

I would never support censorship in any shape or form. What right has anyone to decide what I see, hear or read?
Educating people changes their views, censorship doesn't.

Yet I understand that a facebook page has been set up to do just that and which at one time included awarding 'educational ' diplomas.

[Eleanor]

I would never support censorship in any shape or form. What right has anyone to decide what I see, hear or read?
Educating people changes their views, censorship doesn't.

Try educating them.

[Mr Gray]

Not exactly. The Nazi Party made use of propaganda and censorship, not education. There were many decent people in Europe, including Germans, who did their best to help the Jews.

they didn't do enough did they
Total free speech allows extremists to educate ....often with disastrous results

[Eleanor]

Adolph Hitler educated his population to kill millions of Jews...I think some sort of control on speech is essential..

I don't think Essential is quite the right word.  It simply must not be allowed to the exclusion of all else.  Some persons will never be "Educated" no matter how hard anyone tries.   Any persons who thinks that this possible is a fool, at best.

[Erngath]

Not exactly. The Nazi Party made use of propaganda and censorship, not education. There were many decent people in Europe, including Germans, who did their best to help the Jews.

No, they used education as well.
Hitler's beliefs were taught in schools and teachers who did not promote his views were removed.
Children encouraged  to join the Hitler Youth where their "education" was continued.

[Erngath]

I would never support censorship in any shape or form. What right has anyone to decide what I see, hear or read?
Educating people changes their views, censorship doesn't.

Does this freedom of speech extend to allowing people to to voice  their racist, homophobic and religious intolerance in public places and directed at any individual.
Do you believe that this right of everyone to say whatever they want comes before the right of a person to live without  prejudice and fear.
Surely the right to free speech must be tempered by some law?

[Eleanor]

Does this freedom of speech extend to allowing people to to voice  their racist, homophobic and religious intolerance in public places and directed at any individual.
Do you believe that this right of everyone to say whatever they want comes before the right of a person to live without  prejudice and fear.
Surely the right to free speech must be tempered by some law?

I think you might be on a loser therein, at least for the moment.  But things will change

[Vertigo Swirl]

Everyone who uses the internet does so in their own way and for their own reasons. It's used fpr good and bad, to inform and misinform, to educate and to propagate. Each to his own, I say. I can criticise others but they can criticise me too. I don't think human nature can be controlled and it can be seen in all it''s forms on the internet. I will always choose freedom of expression over censorship.

Why do you post on a forum that does not allow freedom of speech and which censors regularly then?