Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

I’ve already given you my answer, but surely you must ask yourself why such an allegedly money grasping deceitful pair did ‘t lay it i. thick in court re: the depression and suffering they were caused by Amaral.  It must really be a real conundrum for you.

Not in the slightest. To claim depression medical evidence would have to have been presented. Of course that wasn’t going to happen because there was none.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not in the slightest. To claim depression medical evidence would have to have been presented. Of course that wasn’t going to happen because there was none.

Faking depression for the purposes of getting medical evidence would be pretty easy to do, don’t you think?

[faithlilly]

Faking depression for the purposes of getting medical evidence would be pretty easy to do, don’t you think?

If he had depression why would he have to fake anything ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

If he had depression why would he have to fake anything ?

What???!! This is one of those absurd circular discussions that do my head in.  Just read back and follow the logic and try not to shift the goalposts.

[faithlilly]

What???!! This is one of those absurd circular discussions that do my head in.  Just read back and follow the logic and try not to shift the goalposts.

It’s absolutely simple. If Gerry suffered from depression why did he not present supporting evidence of it at the Lisbon hearing where it could have helped his case ? If Gerry had depression why didn’t his wife mention the fact in her ‘ truthful’ book Madeleine ?

It would have been all but impossible for Gerry to retrospectively obtain evidence of depression years down the line if he had not suffered from it during that time. You can’t simply go to your doctor and say ‘ hey I’ve suffered from depression for years, can you provide me with evidence of it ‘. Or do you think you can ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

It’s absolutely simple. If Gerry suffered from depression why did he not present supporting evidence of it at the Lisbon hearing where it could have helped his case ? If Gerry had depression why didn’t his wife mention the fact in her ‘ truthful’ book Madeleine ?

It would have been all but impossible for Gerry to retrospectively obtain evidence of depression years down the line if he had not suffered from it during that time. You can’t simply go to your doctor and say ‘ hey I’ve suffered from depression for years, can you provide me with evidence of it ‘. Or do you think you can ?

No, but you are arguing at a tangent to my point.  I’ve already told you I have no idea why Gerry didn’t present evidence of his depression in Lisbon.  You seem to think it would have been a shrewd thing to do so as it might have made a difference to the case against Amaral and seem to think that because he didn’t he must be inventing his depression now.  My point is - if he was going to invent his depression at all, then why not when it would have been advantageous to do so, instead of now, when there doesn’t appear to be any advantage to doing so? 

[faithlilly]

No, but you are arguing at a tangent to my point.  I’ve already told you I have no idea why Gerry didn’t present evidence of his depression in Lisbon.  You seem to think it would have been a shrewd thing to do so as it might have made a difference to the case against Amaral and seem to think that because he didn’t he must be inventing his depression now.  My point is - if he was going to invent his depression at all, then why not when it would have been advantageous to do so, instead of now, when there doesn’t appear to be any advantage to doing so?

To present invented evidence to a court is a totally different thing from presenting anecdotal musings to a radio programme.

As to there being no advantage to claiming mental health issues now, that is an assumption on your part.

[Vertigo Swirl]

To present invented evidence to a court is a totally different thing from presenting anecdotal musings to a radio programme.

As to there being no advantage to claiming mental health issues now, that is an assumption on your part.

As I said earlier, faking depression to get medical evidence  (especially for a medical professional and super especially for a medical professional whose daughter has disappeared and with a sympathetic GP or psychiatrist ) would be a piece of cake IMO.  Do you (who seem to who believe that the McCanns are ostensibly good people who did a bad thing) think that Kate and Gerry are unlikely to really have suffered from depression in the last 11 years?

Also, I can think of no advantage to claiming depression now, can you?

[slartibartfast]

As I said earlier, faking depression to get medical evidence  (especially for a medical professional and super especially for a medical professional whose daughter has disappeared and with a sympathetic GP or psychiatrist ) would be a piece of cake IMO.  Do you (who seem to who believe that the McCanns are ostensibly good people who did a bad thing) think that Kate and Gerry are unlikely to really have suffered from depression in the last 11 years?

Also, I can think of no advantage to claiming depression now, can you?

So you believe people can fake depression?

[faithlilly]

As I said earlier, faking depression to get medical evidence  (especially for a medical professional and super especially for a medical professional whose daughter has disappeared and with a sympathetic GP or psychiatrist ) would be a piece of cake IMO.  Do you (who seem to who believe that the McCanns are ostensibly good people who did a bad thing) think that Kate and Gerry are unlikely to really have suffered from depression in the last 11 years?

Also, I can think of no advantage to claiming depression now, can you?

Are you saying that more than eight years down the line if Gerry went to a ‘sympathetic GP or psychiatrist’ and said ‘listen I’ve been suffering for years with depression but haven’t told you, could you fake some evidence for me to present to a court’  they would ? Really ?

As to the parents suffering depression we can only go on what they say, and they told the Lisbon court that they hadn’t.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So you believe people can fake depression?

Of course they can.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Are you saying that more than eight years down the line if Gerry went to a ‘sympathetic GP or psychiatrist’ and said ‘listen I’ve been suffering for years with depression but haven’t told you, could you fake some evidence for me to present to a court’  they would ? Really ?

As to the parents suffering depression we can only go on what they say, and they told the Lisbon court that they hadn’t.

Don’t be silly please.  What I am saying that if you felt it necessary to win a court case you could before the case came to court visit your GP and say “I believe I am suffering from depression, please refer me, or give me something to alleviate my symptoms”.   

Do you have a cite for Gerry saying he didn’t suffer from depression?  Also, isn’t one of the symptoms of depression being in denial about your depression?

[faithlilly]

Don’t be silly please.  What I am saying that if you felt it necessary to win a court case you could before the case came to court visit your GP and say “I believe I am suffering from depression, please refer me, or give me something to alleviate my symptoms”.   

Do you have a cite for Gerry saying he didn’t suffer from depression?  Also, isn’t one of the symptoms of depression being in denial about your depression?

Don’t you think that that would look rather convenient?

[Vertigo Swirl]

“Denial about depression can run so deep that trying to hide it becomes an emotional task in itself. If they ever decide to talk about it, they’ll likely admit they don’t know what’s wrong with them and why they just can’t change the way they feel by themselves. Mental health care is still shamed in most parts of the world. People are not inclined to reach out for help and realize that they need any”.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Don’t you think that that would look rather convenient?

To you, yes, just as you seem to think this recent revelation is rather convenient.  But if you have proof that you are being treated for depression, is a judge going to decide you’re lying about it - based on it looking convenient?