Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

There's a mismatch between what Kate McCann says and what she did. She says it seemed unnatural that the twins should sleep through the noise and lights. She says the thought came to her that all three children may have been sedated. She says she became scared for the twins.

So what did she do? She 'wandered' into their room several rimes before the GNR arrived to check on them. She placed her hands on their backs to check for signs of life.

She didn't stay with them or ask for a second opinion. She didn't check any of the things you mention.

When the GNR arrived the twins were in a dark room with the door closed. There they remained while their mother sat on the bed in her room.

I don't think she thought the twins were in any danger at all judging by her actions.

The Twins weren't in any danger, and didn't appear to be.  But they could still have been sedated.  How else would an abductor have carried Madeleine out of the room without her waking.

Try Googling Chloroform.  Very easy to make from household products.

[faithlilly]

Interesting that supporters seem to have less belief in Kate’s claims than sceptics.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Debatable. Could be just an effort to discredit Portuguese authorities.

There was aleady an over abundance of evidence of sloppy, shoddy, incompetent behaviour from the PJ to highlight without the need to start making stuff up years later and risk providing the courts cast iron evidence of lying IMO.

[faithlilly]

Poor old Kate. Sceptics don’t believe her even when she might be telling the truth. Supporters don’t believe her even when she admits to lying to cover up inconvenient events. What is a girl to do ?

[Angelo222]

Poor old Kate. Sceptics don’t believe her even when she might be telling the truth. Supporters don’t believe her even when she admits to lying to cover up inconvenient events. What is a girl to do ?

All credibility is lost once a suspect refuses to answer police questions. There's no recovery from that point imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Poor old Kate. Sceptics don’t believe her even when she might be telling the truth. Supporters don’t believe her even when she admits to lying to cover up inconvenient events. What is a girl to do ?

What you have wriitten about supporters  is complete rubbish.

[Vertigo Swirl]

From Madeleine by Kate McCann.

‘We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.’

As Kate says herself, she lies when she doesn’t have a choice.

Can you imagine what would happened if it had been discovered that Kate thought the twins lives were in danger but did nothing ?

Erm...isn’t that exactly what you are saying DID happen?   So no need to imagine, we know exactly what would happen:  a small handful of people would go on and on about it for years on the internet to anyone foolish enough to engage with them - and that’s it! 

[Vertigo Swirl]

All credibility is lost once a suspect refuses to answer police questions. There's no recovery from that point imo.

Kate recovered quite well.  She never was charged, the case against her was shelved, she is sympathetically treated by tv and news media, she has a high profile amassadorial role, rubs shoulders with prime ministers and archbishops, carries on with her life as a free woman, is able to go on holiday, out to dinner, hold down a job, all without immediate threat to her life or liberty, so what exactly are you on about? 

[Lace]

From Madeleine by Kate McCann.

‘We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.’

As Kate says herself, she lies when she doesn’t have a choice.

Can you imagine what would happened if it had been discovered that Kate thought the twins lives were in danger but did nothing ?

Did you miss the bit where Kate says 'Judicial secrecy law prevented them from giving the real reason.'    They were not allowed to speak about the case. So what do you suggest they should have done?   They exaggerated Gerry's stomach upset that's all,  for god's sake. IMO

[Lace]

An awful lot of assumptions there, so let’s look at what we know.

Kate said she was so concerned at the twins unresponsive state that she informed the police. We can also ascertain that as a trained anaesthesist she would know the difference between a child merely in a deep sleep and one who was unnaturally unresponsive. She appears to have believed the later.

That the twins were okay the next day is a nonsense argument. It’s a bit like saying because that the child, after drinking bleach, survived the night and therefore her parents decision not to take her to the hospital was the right one. Can you not see how ridiculous that argument is ?

We know that Fiona was with Kate most of the night and witnessed Kate’s ‘looking for signs of life’. She mentioned this in her statement so why not Kate’s appeals for help ? If Kate was that concerned for the twins that she was actually checking that they were alive but her concerns were being ignored why didn’t she mention it to any of the family she called that night ? Further SB and the officers present recounted Kate’s request for a priest but not medical help for her unresponsive twins. Why do you think that is ?

Amaral has nothing to do with Kate’s actions that night.

You said -That the twins were okay the next day is a nonsense argument. It’s a bit like saying because that the child, after drinking bleach, survived the night and therefore her parents decision not to take her to the hospital was the right one. Can you not see how ridiculous that argument is ?   

I was replying about you asking why the friends didn't mention anything about the twins.   They weren't there to witness the twins sleeping through the noise , they weren't  there when Kate told the Police,  the twins were fine the next day so why would they mention anything about them in their statements?   Fiona told Kate the twins were fine,  so it seems to me she thought Kate was just hysterical over everything. IMO

[G-Unit]

You said -That the twins were okay the next day is a nonsense argument. It’s a bit like saying because that the child, after drinking bleach, survived the night and therefore her parents decision not to take her to the hospital was the right one. Can you not see how ridiculous that argument is ?   

I was replying about you asking why the friends didn't mention anything about the twins.   They weren't there to witness the twins sleeping through the noise , they weren't  there when Kate told the Police,  the twins were fine the next day so why would they mention anything about them in their statements?   Fiona told Kate the twins were fine,  so it seems to me she thought Kate was just hysterical over everything. IMO

Fiona Payne was there, and confirms that Kate 'put her hands' on the twins to check they were breathing..She says they were fine, but not that she said that to Kate. She also found it strange that they continued to sleep.She was also there when the GNR arrived, but doesm't mention sedation being mentioned by Kate. 

it was me, Emma and Kate with Gerry and Dave sort of to'ing and fro'ing until the first lot of Police arrived'.......

she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.......

they wanted to come in the room, obviously, and, you know, see where Madeleine had been sleeping and they were checking the shutters and we were just trying to get over the urgency
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[faithlilly]

Did you miss the bit where Kate says 'Judicial secrecy law prevented them from giving the real reason.'    They were not allowed to speak about the case. So what do you suggest they should have done?   They exaggerated Gerry's stomach upset that's all,  for god's sake. IMO

She lied. She admits it herself. She lied because she was placed in a position where telling the truth would raise questions. She appears to have done the same in Madeleine to counter questions about not seeking help when she obviously thought her children were in danger.

[G-Unit]

Some people seem to think audited accounts are more reliable. Not necessarily;

KPMG suspends Carillion’s lead auditor
http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/01/21/kpmg-suspends-carillions-lead-auditor/

[Vertigo Swirl]

She lied. She admits it herself. She lied because she was placed in a position where telling the truth would raise questions. She appears to have done the same in Madeleine to counter questions about not seeking help when she obviously thought her children were in danger.

Everyone lies Faithlilly, even you I’m sure, though perhaps unlike Kate you don’t like to admit it when you do?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some people seem to think audited accounts are more reliable. Not necessarily;

KPMG suspends Carillion’s lead auditor
http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/01/21/kpmg-suspends-carillions-lead-auditor/

More reliable than what?