Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

More reliable than what?

Accounts which are not audited.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Accounts which are not audited.

In much the same way as me supplying a link to a sniffer dog that makes a series of mistakes demonstrates that using sniffer dogs is not necessarily as reliable as not using sniffer dogs.  I get you.

[G-Unit]

In much the same way as me supplying a link to a sniffer dog that makes a series of mistakes demonstrates that using sniffer dogs is not necessarily as reliable as not using sniffer dogs.  I get you.

Just letting people know that auditing is not a gurantee of anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just letting people know that auditing is not a gurantee of anything.

Nothing is a guarantee of anything, thanks for the reminder.

[Lace]

She lied. She admits it herself. She lied because she was placed in a position where telling the truth would raise questions. She appears to have done the same in Madeleine to counter questions about not seeking help when she obviously thought her children were in danger.

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So it seems you would rather Kate have broken the law in Portugal than tell a white lie.   So what would you have done in Kates situation,  broken the law and risked being put in prison?   It sounds as if you would.


As for Kate lying about not seeking help for the twins,  again you know nothing as do I.   The Police seemed to know a lot about the twins though,  after only looking in on them and searching the room.   How did they know they hadn't woken up after they went out of the room and one of the friends had gone in to see them?   How did they know it wasn't normal for them to sleep through the noise?   They could have been heavy sleepers.  How did they know they hadn't woken up before they had arrived and gone back to sleep?    Amaral says they were worried about the twins from the beginning,   because he knew!!!   and did nothing about it.  IMO

[faithlilly]

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So it seems you would rather Kate have broken the law in Portugal than tell a white lie.   So what would you have done in Kates situation,  broken the law and risked being put in prison?   It sounds as if you would.


As for Kate lying about not seeking help for the twins,  again you know nothing as do I.   The Police seemed to know a lot about the twins though,  after only looking in on them and searching the room.   How did they know they hadn't woken up after they went out of the room and one of the friends had gone in to see them?   How did they know it wasn't normal for them to sleep through the noise?   They could have been heavy sleepers.  How did they know they hadn't woken up before they had arrived and gone back to sleep?    Amaral says they were worried about the twins from the beginning,   because he knew!!!   and did nothing about it.  IMO

What should Kate have done ? Was it beyond her to just say nothing ?

A mother checks her children for signs of life yet does not summon help. Whose fault is that ? As you say the police didn’t know that one of the friends had settled the twins or whether it was normal for the twins to sleep so deeply......but Kate did and still did nothing.

So you think Kate did voice her concerns. When, to whom, who translated, how vociferous was she in her pleas, did she get a reply, when nothing happened did she try again, what was the outcome ? Did she tell family back home that the police were ignoring her and that she was worried that the twins were unresponsive? Did she mention it to the officers she spoke to on the 4th and ask for the officers to be reprimanded ? Did Fiona mention it as she was with Kate most of the night ?  Do you really think that police officers faced with pleas from a mother that her children may have been drugged, did nothing ? So many questions.

And again Amaral had nothing to do with Kate’s actions that night.

[Lace]

What should Kate have done ? Was it beyond her to just say nothing ?

A mother checks her children for signs of life yet does not summon help. Whose fault is that ? As you say the police didn’t know that one of the friends had settled the twins or whether it was normal for the twins to sleep so deeply......but Kate did and still did nothing.

So you think Kate did voice her concerns. When, to whom, who translated, how vociferous was she in her pleas, did she get a reply, when nothing happened did she try again, what was the outcome ? Did she tell family back home that the police were ignoring her and that she was worried that the twins were unresponsive? Did she mention it to the officers she spoke to on the 4th and ask for the officers to be reprimanded ? Did Fiona mention it as she was with Kate most of the night ?  Do you really think that police officers faced with pleas from a mother that her children may have been drugged, did nothing ? So many questions.

And again Amaral had nothing to do with Kate’s actions that night.

Have you read the statements from the friends especially Fiona's?   Kate was hysterical,  NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.   You make it sound as though Kate was calmly sitting around checking the twins for signs of life.  You sound as if you have no idea what affect something like this would have on someone's ability to behave normally.   

Kate was worried about the twins,  but Fiona was telling her they were fine.   I believe Kate did say something to the Police but because of her behaviour and the fact they thought Madeleine had just wandered out they just took her pleas as hysterical ramblings as they could see that Kate was not behaving in a rational way.   Though they thought they would mention the twins slept through the noise and mention it to Amaral, who I beleive also took her worries as nonsense.   Later though when Amaral comes to write his book he is saying he was worried about the twins from the beginning,  now why say that if he had'nt had a report that the twins had slept through the noise,  I'll tell you why, because by then he had thought his theory up after the dog alerts and the Calpol was the centre of his theory.IMO

[Miss Taken Identity]

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So it seems you would rather Kate have broken the law in Portugal than tell a white lie.   So what would you have done in Kates situation,  broken the law and risked being put in prison?   It sounds as if you would.


As for Kate lying about not seeking help for the twins,  again you know nothing as do I.   The Police seemed to know a lot about the twins though,  after only looking in on them and searching the room.   How did they know they hadn't woken up after they went out of the room and one of the friends had gone in to see them?   How did they know it wasn't normal for them to sleep through the noise?   They could have been heavy sleepers.  How did they know they hadn't woken up before they had arrived and gone back to sleep?    Amaral says they were worried about the twins from the beginning,   because he knew!!!   and did nothing about it.  IMO

I find some posts hilarious  in support of the parents...

Aw Kate only told a white lie.. which is much better than a big black lie I guess...

"Did you miss the bit where Kate says 'Judicial secrecy law prevented them from giving the real reason.'    They were not allowed to speak about the case"

And yet there they were blabbing to family about windows and shutters and cutains which no one else saw or noticed?  The police certainly didn't see what Kate  claims she saw...

"Kate was worried about the twins,  but Fiona was telling her they were fine. "

Well there you go... now why bother mentioning about the police not doing anything- Her friend said they were fine-was her friend lying?

[Lace]

I find some posts hilarious  in support of the parents...

Aw Kate only told a white lie.. which is much better than a big black lie I guess...

"Did you miss the bit where Kate says 'Judicial secrecy law prevented them from giving the real reason.'    They were not allowed to speak about the case"

And yet there they were blabbing to family about windows and shutters and cutains which no one else saw or noticed?  The police certainly didn't see what Kate  claims she saw...

"Kate was worried about the twins,  but Fiona was telling her they were fine. "

Well there you go... now why bother mentioning about the police not doing anything- Her friend said they were fine-was her friend lying?

You seem to find a lot of things funny about a missing child don't you.

When the McCann's were 'blabbing' about Madeleine being missing as you put it,   there wasn't an investigation going on by the Portuguese Police was there?

Kate was hysterical,   Fiona was trying to calm her down she said the twins were fine,  why would Fiona lie?

[G-Unit]

You seem to find a lot of things funny about a missing child don't you.

When the McCann's were 'blabbing' about Madeleine being missing as you put it,   there wasn't an investigation going on by the Portuguese Police was there?

Kate was hysterical,   Fiona was trying to calm her down she said the twins were fine,  why would Fiona lie?

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When did the bolded bit happen?

[jassi]

You seem to find a lot of things funny about a missing child don't you.

When the McCann's were 'blabbing' about Madeleine being missing as you put it,   there wasn't an investigation going on by the Portuguese Police was there?

Kate was hysterical,   Fiona was trying to calm her down she said the twins were fine,  why would Fiona lie?

I fancy that it is supporter comments that are found amusing, rather than that a child is missing.
Having said that, her absence has no bearing on our lives other than the time wasted on  this and/or other forums.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I fancy that it is supporter comments that are found amusing, rather than that a child is missing.
Having said that, her absence has no bearing on our lives other than the time wasted on  this and/or other forums.

I fancy that what amused the poster in question is the idea of people standing up for the parents of a missing child in the face of unrelenting criticism and hostility towards them for nearly 12 years, and in this instance pointing out that Kate told a white lie (which she admitted to in her book) so as to keep on the right side of the Judicial Secrecy law.   Perhaps that IS truly hilarious to some, it takes all sorts I guess.

[jassi]

In  life, one must take amusement where one finds it.

[faithlilly]

You seem to find a lot of things funny about a missing child don't you.

When the McCann's were 'blabbing' about Madeleine being missing as you put it,   there wasn't an investigation going on by the Portuguese Police was there?

Kate was hysterical,   Fiona was trying to calm her down she said the twins were fine,  why would Fiona lie?

Kate gave the green light to family, and their spokesperson Justine McGuiness to tell anyone who would listen what was happening in the police station when questioned in her arguido interview. Gerry spoke to David Jones on the QT about the investigation. What do you think were their thoughts on judicial secrecy then ? Handy that judicial secrecy only kicked in when the parents had something to hide.

Nowhere does it say Fiona was trying to calm Kate down and as a trained professional she is just as guilty of failing to get help for two unresponsive children as her friend. If either of the two of them had acted that when in their professional life they would have been up in front of the GMC quicker than you could say comatose.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In  life, one must take amusement where one finds it.

True.  It's the only reason I read this forum I have to admit.