Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mistakes get made everywhere; Mrs Justice Hogg made a huge one concerning Ellie Butler, didn't she?

”Don’t look there, look here”. 

[Lace]

So what happened next?

It was very gruesome,   so I won't go into details.   He basically assaulted her and left her for dead,  but she survived to tell her story,  it took years to find him and she was getting ready to face him in court when she heard he had committed suicide.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jennifer-schuett-case-afraid-of-the-dark-texas-woman-seeks-justice-in-childhood-kidnapping-attack/

The fact is he got in through the window,  took her back out through the window and she only woke up when they were heading off down the path outside.

[ShiningInLuz]

It was very gruesome,   so I won't go into details.   He basically assaulted her and left her for dead,  but she survived to tell her story,  it took years to find him and she was getting ready to face him in court when she heard he had committed suicide.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jennifer-schuett-case-afraid-of-the-dark-texas-woman-seeks-justice-in-childhood-kidnapping-attack/

The fact is he got in through the window,  took her back out through the window and she only woke up when they were heading off down the path outside.

That would make an interesting thread on its own.

Particularly given the string of sex assaults reported on the Algarve.

He said she was picked up totally at random.  She says he took her to her school, which suggests otherwise.  And she appears to be a highly reliable witness.

Excellent find Lace 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was very gruesome,   so I won't go into details.   He basically assaulted her and left her for dead,  but she survived to tell her story,  it took years to find him and she was getting ready to face him in court when she heard he had committed suicide.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jennifer-schuett-case-afraid-of-the-dark-texas-woman-seeks-justice-in-childhood-kidnapping-attack/

The fact is he got in through the window,  took her back out through the window and she only woke up when they were heading off down the path outside.

There are some here who would surely dispute the possibility that a child could be taken from her bed at night by a perfect stranger, with her mother on the premises, through an open window and without screaming the place down.  They would surely say it was “virtually impossible”.  I wonder how they cope with this account?  How to rationalise its near impossibility?  It would be interesting to know but I expect nothing but silence on the matter from those individuals. 

[pathfinder73]

Let's see your leads on a stranger if you believe it happened. Or are you all mouth and no trousers?

[G-Unit]

There are some here who would surely dispute the possibility that a child could be taken from her bed at night by a perfect stranger, with her mother on the premises, through an open window and without screaming the place down.  They would surely say it was “virtually impossible”.  I wonder how they cope with this account?  How to rationalise its near impossibility?  It would be interesting to know but I expect nothing but silence on the matter from those individuals.

You seem to think that quoting other cases has a bearing on the McCann case. In reality every case is different.

[Brietta]

There are some here who would surely dispute the possibility that a child could be taken from her bed at night by a perfect stranger, with her mother on the premises, through an open window and without screaming the place down.  They would surely say it was “virtually impossible”.  I wonder how they cope with this account?  How to rationalise its near impossibility?  It would be interesting to know but I expect nothing but silence on the matter from those individuals.

It is nothing short of a miracle that Jennifer survived; I doubt I have ever seen a better likeness in an efit ... what an artist and what amazing recall from a child so recently brought back from the jaws of death and still unable to speak as a result of the injuries she had suffered.

The perpetrator's profile is food for thought ...

• he lived locally at the time of the crime ... in my opinion he knew his way around the area ...
• he lived close to the scene of the crime
• outwardly just an ordinary guy living on the face of it an ordinary life with his family around him and holding down a job; just your ordinary everyday rapist whose DNA taken as a result of his crimes led to his apprehension for the crime against Jennifer
• he alleged he did not know Jennifer
• he told detectives he was driving around at random
• he alleged he did not know why he pulled in at the apartments where Jennifer lived
• he approached her window ... he saw it was open ... he could see the light when he looked in and no doubt he could see the sleeping child
• he pulled Jennifer out of the window and made off with her in his car without her sleeping mother being alerted; without a soul witnessing him creeping around in the dark; without anyone witnessing him carrying her to his car; without a soul witnessing him putting Jennifer in it and driving off; nobody gave a description of him or his car to the police for the simple reason no-one saw it arriving or departing ... no-one saw a thing

Jennifer was eight years old when she was abducted with ease by a local familiar with the area ... how much easier would it have been to abduct a sleeping three year old ?

[Anthro]

Hi Lace, your post on Jennifer Schuett is very informative. It amazes me that an 8-year old could give such a precise description and e-fit. Also the advances in DNA sampling to get to a positive match. Someone pointed out that Jeni Weinberger, an artist, was involved in creating the e-fit of spottyman. My view has always been that whoever took Madeleine, will only be discovered once s/he’s DNA has been captured on a database.

[Brietta]

Hi Lace, your post on Jennifer Schuett is very informative. It amazes me that an 8-year old could give such a precise description and e-fit. Also the advances in DNA sampling to get to a positive match. Someone pointed out that Jeni Weinberger, an artist, was involved in creating the e-fit of spottyman. My view has always been that whoever took Madeleine, will only be discovered once s/he’s DNA has been captured on a database.

It is interesting that the perpetrator acted alone.  He alleged remorse ... I wonder if his suicide was less to do with remorse for his actions than it was to the detectives doing their homework which gave him a glimpse of living out what was left of his life in jail.
I think the only remorse he felt was that he had been caught ... I think he thought he had got away with it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You seem to think that quoting other cases has a bearing on the McCann case. In reality every case is different.

When people say “there is no way Madeleine would have not screamed the place down if taken from her bed” what are they basing that on, exactly?  Is it an assumption that all children would behave in that way, or only Madeleine?  Clearly the case being referenced puts paid to that assumption.  If the latter, is that based on their personal knowledge of the child?  Over to you...

[Vertigo Swirl]

Let's see your leads on a stranger if you believe it happened. Or are you all mouth and no trousers?

Who are you addressing Rudeboy?

[pathfinder73]

As you have no clue about who then it's addressed to you.

No point believing it's a stranger without anything to lead you to them. A stranger does not exist unless you have some evidence of one and there was none on that open window or tidy bed. Kate left the apartment and her remaining defenceless children alone again with the window still open. David Payne went into the apartment after the alarm was raised and did not see the open window. I thought that would be the first thing to see after being told that it was open but nothing is what it seems with these characters.

[G-Unit]

When people say “there is no way Madeleine would have not screamed the place down if taken from her bed” what are they basing that on, exactly?  Is it an assumption that all children would behave in that way, or only Madeleine?  Clearly the case being referenced puts paid to that assumption.  If the latter, is that based on their personal knowledge of the child?  Over to you...

People quote Kate McCann on the basis that she knew Madeleine so was an expert on what the child might or could do. What about her grandmother? She claimed to know Madeleine too;

“I really believe they (whoever took her) gave her a drug.

“There is no way they carried her out of there without her awakening.

“If she was taken when she was sleeping by somebody she did not know, she would have screamed the place down.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564727/Madeleine-McCann-drugged-says-grandmother.html

[Vertigo Swirl]

As you have no clue about who then it's addressed to you.

No point believing it's a stranger without anything to lead you to them. A stranger does not exist unless you have some evidence of one and there was none on that open window or tidy bed. Kate left the apartment and her remaining defenceless children alone again with the window still open. David Payne went into the apartment after the alarm was raised and did not see the open window. I thought that would be the first thing to see after being told that it was open but nothing is what it seems with these characters.

”A stranger does not exist unless you have some evidence of one” - extremely poor logic IMO.  Didn’t bother with the rest.

[Vertigo Swirl]

People quote Kate McCann on the basis that she knew Madeleine so was an expert on what the child might or could do. What about her grandmother? She claimed to know Madeleine too;

“I really believe they (whoever took her) gave her a drug.

“There is no way they carried her out of there without her awakening.

“If she was taken when she was sleeping by somebody she did not know, she would have screamed the place down.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564727/Madeleine-McCann-drugged-says-grandmother.html

No one, not even a child’s mother can predict how a child will behave when it is picked up sleeping from its bed and abducted.  They can assume but as we know you think very little of their assumptions (eg: they assumed the kids would be perfectly safe if left alone) I am surprised you even give them the time of day.