Wandering Off Topic

[The General]

I'm not driving down any path...I just don't think portugal deserve a great deal of credit for staying neutral... It was the easy option.
The UK could have ignored the suffering of those who Hitler opressed... They didn't take the easy option and deserve a lot of credit

It's way more complicated than that and nothing to do with cowardice or valour.

[G-Unit]

Portugal didn't tread as difficult a path as the UK..
How many people did the UK save from the tyranny of Hitler.

More Jewish refugees entered Portugal than entered the UK during WW2 in my opinion.

[The General]

More Jewish refugees entered Portugal than entered the UK during WW2 in my opinion.

Could be a true reflection - 6,000 a day in September '39, but we must caveat that, as the reason was because they were neutral - you're not going to find much refuge in a country that's going to be overrun in a couple of months - i.e. France.
So neutrality can be construed as vital during times of mass upheaval,

[Eleanor]

Save? In the literal sense? At the time?
Lemmeesee. Difficult one this. In fact........impossible to know.

I mean, are you driving down the path of why Portugal remained neutral?

Portugal was crawling with Nazis during the War, on rest and recuperation it seems.  Although there was a small Brit Community also.  I think that The Duke of Windsor was there at one point.  And we all know about him.  He was going to be King of England if The Nazis had won.

This stinks of Salazar keeping his options open if you ask me.

[Mr Gray]

More Jewish refugees entered Portugal than entered the UK during WW2 in my opinion.

Can you not give the UK any credit for the part it played in stopping hitler... How many concentration camps did portugal liberate

You seem to despise the UK which I find very odd

[Eleanor]

Technically the man was a liar, counterfeiter and traitor from what I've just read.
20th century political history is my thang, but I'll be honest, I'd never come across this dude.

Oh, Yer.  He wrote out a pile of false Visas, personally himself, to save a few worthless Jews from the death camps.  How frightfully reprehensible.

At the time The Vichy Government were helping The Germans to round up stray jews trying to escape.

[Mr Gray]

Save? In the literal sense? At the time?
Lemmeesee. Difficult one this. In fact........impossible to know.

I mean, are you driving down the path of why Portugal remained neutral?

I'm not driving down any path...I just don't think portugal deserve a great deal of credit for staying neutral... It was the easy option.
The UK could have ignored the suffering of those who Hitler opressed... They didn't take the easy option and deserve a lot of credit

[G-Unit]

Could be a true reflection - 6,000 a day in September '39, but we must caveat that, as the reason was because they were neutral - you're not going to find much refuge in a country that's going to be overrun in a couple of months - i.e. France.
So neutrality can be construed as vital during times of mass upheaval,

The French Government actively cooperated with the Nazis, didn't they? French police and gendarmes rounded up Jewish people for deportation to the death camps. As opposed to Denmark, for example, where almost all of it's Jewish citizens were smuggled out to Sweden.

[The General]

Can you not give the UK any credit for the part it played in stopping hitler... How many concentration camps did portugal liberate

You seem to despise the UK which I find very odd

You seem to be wrong again.

[Eleanor]

The French Government actively cooperated with the Nazis, didn't they? French police and gendarmes rounded up Jewish people for deportation to the death camps. As opposed to Denmark, for example, where almost all of it's Jewish citizens were smuggled out to Sweden.

The Vichy Government, largely.  They bogged off down South and helped The Nazis from there.

[Mr Gray]

You seem to be wrong again.

In your opinion... gunit makes a lot of anti UK posts

[Mr Gray]

The Vichy Government, largely.  They bogged off down South and helped The Nazis from there.

Fortunately the British army helped drive the Germans out of france

[ShiningInLuz]

Guernica

"The Bombing of Guernica, 1937," EyeWitness to History, www.eyewitnesstohistory.com (2005).

You said ...
"Cobblers.

Do you have any clue as to what fascism means?"   http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg564847#msg564847
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Lest we forget ... "a picture is worth more than  thousand words" and far from 'misrepresenting' fascism 'Guernica' has always been for me, the epitome of the evils of the fascism which my parents' generation fought a war against.
A war against fascism in Europe which in the beginning gave us Guernica; a war against fascism the justness of which was proved when the allies liberated the concentration camps of Europe.

I hope you enjoyed your rant.

The problem is simple.  Guernica has SFA to do with the current state of affairs in Portugal

[The General]

Oh, Yer.  He wrote out a pile of false Visas, personally himself, to save a few worthless Jews from the death camps.  How frightfully reprehensible.

At the time The Vichy Government were helping The Germans to round up stray jews trying to escape.

No, you miss the point. His first 'indiscretions' were before the war, dear thing.
I know nothing of the dude, apart from what I just read. If he saved loads of Jewish people - sound.
But my somewhat obscure point was that it would seem that moral relativism is permissible when discussed contemporaneously.

[Eleanor]

No, you miss the point. His first 'indiscretions' were before the war, dear thing.
I know nothing of the dude, apart from what I just read. I'd he saved loads of Jewish people - sound.
But my somewhat obscure point was that it would seem that moral relativism is permissible when discussed contemporaneously.

How do you know this if you've never heard of him?