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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9840 on: April 25, 2021, 10:19:16 PM »
They were appealing for;

"a joint independent, transparent and comprehensive review of all information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance."

and looking at Brietta's source, there's a heading;

Private detectives
They added: "It is fundamental for any major incident that a case review is undertaken to identify all the avenues that could be explored that might lead to new information coming into the inquiry."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13370591

Clearly the BBC thought they were referring to the inquiry being conducted by their Private detectives, as do I.
PS: you really need to read that paragraph under the heading properly and in context of the whole article.  I think you have completely got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

The letter in its entirety which makes absolutely no mention of the McCanns own private investigation

'Dear Prime Minister,

As a devoted father and family man, you know the importance of children. Our beloved eldest child, Madeleine, was abducted from Praia da Luz, Portugal, four years ago. Since then, we have devoted all our energies to ensuring her safe return.

Today we are asking you - and the British and Portuguese governments - to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family.

We live in hope that Madeleine will be found alive and returned to us. One call might be all that is needed to lead to Madeleine and her abductor.

To this end, we are seeking a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance. Thus far, there has been NO formal review of the material held by the police authorities - which is routine practice in most major unsolved crimes.

It is not right that a young vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on. This remains an unsolved case of a missing child. Children are our most precious gift.

Please don't give up on Madeleine.

Kate & Gerry McCann'
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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9841 on: April 25, 2021, 10:50:09 PM »
They were appealing for;

"a joint independent, transparent and comprehensive review of all information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance."

and looking at Brietta's source, there's a heading;

Private detectives
They added: "It is fundamental for any major incident that a case review is undertaken to identify all the avenues that could be explored that might lead to new information coming into the inquiry."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13370591

Clearly the BBC thought they were referring to the inquiry being conducted by their Private detectives, as do I.

What a bizarre post particularly when one would have expected your intimate knowledge of the case to have informed you of the wide spectrum of the sources used by Scotland Yard.

In my opinion the denial of even the most obvious documented facts as reflected in your posts is quite extraordinary.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9842 on: April 25, 2021, 10:57:30 PM »
PS: you really need to read that paragraph under the heading properly and in context of the whole article.  I think you have completely got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

The letter in its entirety which makes absolutely no mention of the McCanns own private investigation

'Dear Prime Minister,

As a devoted father and family man, you know the importance of children. Our beloved eldest child, Madeleine, was abducted from Praia da Luz, Portugal, four years ago. Since then, we have devoted all our energies to ensuring her safe return.

Today we are asking you - and the British and Portuguese governments - to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family.

We live in hope that Madeleine will be found alive and returned to us. One call might be all that is needed to lead to Madeleine and her abductor.

To this end, we are seeking a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance. Thus far, there has been NO formal review of the material held by the police authorities - which is routine practice in most major unsolved crimes.

It is not right that a young vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on. This remains an unsolved case of a missing child. Children are our most precious gift.

Please don't give up on Madeleine.

Kate & Gerry McCann'

Having to cherry pick to push an agenda is really rather sad. Not to mention revealing a bit of desperation. My opinion🙂
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9843 on: April 26, 2021, 06:29:29 AM »
The fact remains that the McCanns didn't ask for an investigation to be arranged, they asked for a review.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #9844 on: April 26, 2021, 07:07:34 AM »
The fact remains that the McCanns didn't ask for an investigation to be arranged, they asked for a review.
And the fact remains you can proffer no good valid reason why alledged criminals would want an exhaustive review of all the evidence allegedly held against them.  In the letter to David Cameron they state clearly their reasons for wanting such a review (to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family, don’t give up on Madeleine) - now perhaps you can suggest a more malevolent reason.  Bet you will struggle to or completely ignore this request.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #9845 on: April 26, 2021, 08:50:27 AM »
And the fact remains you can proffer no good valid reason why alledged criminals would want an exhaustive review of all the evidence allegedly held against them.  In the letter to David Cameron they state clearly their reasons for wanting such a review (to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family, don’t give up on Madeleine) - now perhaps you can suggest a more malevolent reason.  Bet you will struggle to or completely ignore this request.

According to Kate McCann, their investigation was hampered by a lack of information;

"The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have." [madeleine page 384]

They wanted access to that information, and seemed to think that a review would enable them to get it.

"Our own search, however, has significant limitations. Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come in to the inquiry...The more data we can acquire, the more complete the picture will be and the stronger our chances of finding our daughter."

Why they thought a review would share information with them I don't know. Kate even suggested further action;

"If a review is declined, or indeed if no decision is ever made, we will be left with no alternative but to seek disclosure of all information possessed by the authorities relating to Madeleine’s disappearance."

I'm surprised that they would consider trying to get the authorities to disclose information. They had attempted that before with LP, and had failed. Neither the PJ, LP or the courts were going to ignore privacy and data protection laws just  because the McCanns were the parents of Madeleine.

However, it seems that they wanted information to help with their own investigation.

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #9846 on: April 26, 2021, 09:29:01 AM »
According to Kate McCann, their investigation was hampered by a lack of information;

"The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have." [madeleine page 384]

They wanted access to that information, and seemed to think that a review would enable them to get it.

"Our own search, however, has significant limitations. Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come in to the inquiry...The more data we can acquire, the more complete the picture will be and the stronger our chances of finding our daughter."

Why they thought a review would share information with them I don't know. Kate even suggested further action;

"If a review is declined, or indeed if no decision is ever made, we will be left with no alternative but to seek disclosure of all information possessed by the authorities relating to Madeleine’s disappearance."

I'm surprised that they would consider trying to get the authorities to disclose information. They had attempted that before with LP, and had failed. Neither the PJ, LP or the courts were going to ignore privacy and data protection laws just  because the McCanns were the parents of Madeleine.

However, it seems that they wanted information to help with their own investigation.
They begged three home secretaries for an "INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information" held by the police and you think this was in the expectation that the police would review it, ignore the evidence that you think puts them in the frame, and just hand it all over to the McCanns for them to use - for what reason exactly?  Can't you see how barmy that sounds if they already know Madeleine is dead?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9847 on: April 26, 2021, 09:42:51 AM »
The fact remains that the McCanns didn't ask for an investigation to be arranged, they asked for a review.
Wat do you think comes first?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9848 on: April 26, 2021, 09:51:04 AM »
They begged three home secretaries for an "INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information" held by the police and you think this was in the expectation that the police would review it, ignore the evidence that you think puts them in the frame, and just hand it all over to the McCanns for them to use - for what reason exactly?  Can't you see how barmy that sounds if they already know Madeleine is dead?
At this stage of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance that some continue to retain their prejudices astounds me more than just a little 🙄
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9849 on: April 26, 2021, 10:09:07 AM »
At this stage of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance that some continue to retain their prejudices astounds me more than just a little 🙄

You seem to believe that the investigation has progressed beyond the stage reached by the PJ. I see no progression.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9850 on: April 26, 2021, 10:19:44 AM »
They were appealing for;

"a joint independent, transparent and comprehensive review of all information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance."

and looking at Brietta's source, there's a heading;

Private detectives
They added: "It is fundamental for any major incident that a case review is undertaken to identify all the avenues that could be explored that might lead to new information coming into the inquiry."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13370591

Clearly the BBC thought they were referring to the inquiry being conducted by their Private detectives, as do I.

I think they wanted SY to investigate... They couldn't ask for the case to be reopened as there HAD to be a review first.
You disagree.  You are speculating and merely giving your opinion

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9851 on: April 26, 2021, 10:32:06 AM »
I think they wanted SY to investigate... They couldn't ask for the case to be reopened as there HAD to be a review first.
You disagree.  You are speculating and merely giving your opinion

Why would they want an investigation by UK police who were unable to investigate in the country where the child disappeared?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #9852 on: April 26, 2021, 10:40:59 AM »
Why would they want an investigation by UK police who were unable to investigate in the country where the child disappeared?
Why wouldn't they want it?  Were they to simply hope that one day the PJ might decide to get off their fat arses and conduct a review / reinvestigation?  What exactly do you think parents in such a situation should do, pray tell?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9853 on: April 26, 2021, 10:47:59 AM »
Why would they want an investigation by UK police who were unable to investigate in the country where the child disappeared?

Ridiculous post

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #9854 on: April 26, 2021, 11:08:34 AM »
Why wouldn't they want it?  Were they to simply hope that one day the PJ might decide to get off their fat arses and conduct a review / reinvestigation?  What exactly do you think parents in such a situation should do, pray tell?

All I know is that they never requested an investigation by a UK police force.
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