Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

I am keen for people to stop spreading falsehoods, what's the point in spreading these untruths can we just accept the fact that dog alerts have been used as evidence in court cases in the UK and overseas. I told you many months ago what my take on the alerts is, cut and paste from reply 37 - Dog Alerts - Evidence or Not?

“The dogs alerts are evidence that the dogs alerted in the flat where a missing child was last seen.
Nothing more than that.”

Well no, they're a bit more than that in the case of the hire car aren't they, as the child was never in the hire car was she?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So basically the dog alerts are evidence that the dogs alerted.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Unfortunately Eddie was taught too many tricks, so in the end no one including Martin Grime knew exactly what Eddie was alerting to.

Thats your opinion, mine is Grime knew his dogs very well.
PS. why did you edit my post to Davel?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Can you supply the guidelines for Scotland please?

No.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

So basically the dog alerts are evidence that the dogs alerted.

Yes.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Well no, they're a bit more than that in the case of the hire car aren't they, as the child was never in the hire car was she?

We don't know that do we?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

A Cite would be appropriate for this Statement.  Thank you in advance.

Which statement do you want a cite for there are 2 in the post?

[Eleanor]

Which statement do you want a cite for there are 2 in the post?

Both would be good.  Thank you.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Both would be good.  Thank you.

You want a cite for the statement that the judicial process makes the laws and  follow guidelines?
I will add a IMO to the post or you can delete it. Who do you think is responsible for law making?
When I refer to the Judiciary I am referring to the whole system of law. It is separate from the Executive and legislature.

[Eleanor]

You want a cite for the statement that the judicial process makes the laws and  follow guidelines?
I will add a IMO to the post or you can delete it. Who do you think is responsible for law making?
When I refer to the Judiciary I am referring to the whole system of law. It is separate from the Executive and legislature.

An "In My Opinion" will do almost as well.  But a Cite of The Guidelines would be better.  We are all happy to learn something or another.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

An "In My Opinion" will do almost as well.  But a Cite of The Guidelines would be better.  We are all happy to learn something or another.

To be clear I have never seen any guidelines from Scotland but it is my opinion that guidelines regarding admission of evidence and any other things pertinent to existing law are applied when considering amendments to law or new laws to be passed. IMO

[Eleanor]

To be clear I have never seen any guidelines from Scotland but it is my opinion that guidelines regarding admission of evidence and any other things pertinent to existing law are applied when considering amendments to law or new laws to be passed. IMO

Thank You.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Martin Grime is an expert dog handler who as a police officer would I believe, fulfil all the necessary requirements of his job.

As a dog handler he was one reputedly one of the best. As an expert on legal matters, not so much.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We don't know that do we?

No we don't, but the dog alerted and that's evidence that the dog alerted so what can we deduce from that?

[Vertigo Swirl]

To be clear I have never seen any guidelines from Scotland but it is my opinion that guidelines regarding admission of evidence and any other things pertinent to existing law are applied when considering amendments to law or new laws to be passed. IMO

That's all well and good but surely as part of the judicial process in deciding whether or not dog alerts should be admissable these have to be subjected to scientific testing or at least expert opinion as judges and legal bods are not usually well versed in canine olfactory science or the art of search dog handling, so do they not have to seek advice from erm...people like Martin Grime?