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[Vertigo Swirl]

did anyone bother checking if there was actually any blood on the tissue or did they just assume it?  Was Keela used to screen the coconut btw? 

[Mr Gray]

To which both dogs alerted? That suggests that blood was present.

"EVRD – positive indication.

SOCO visual – positive.

Blood dog - positive indication.

Visual – positive

UV – negative (items removed prior to screening).

Quasar - negative

Positive indications confirmed as being recently deposited tissues used to clean up after sex by unknown persons."
IDENTIFIED DEFENSIVE POSITIONS http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html

What about cuddle cat.. To which Eddie didnt alert... And then didnt seem to alert again... But Grime felt he did.. But no one bothered to analyse

[Robittybob1]

It suggests don’t believe everything a dog tells you, sometimes they make stuff up just for a laugh but then who doesn’t do that?

What the dog deliberately plays a prank on you!

[Robittybob1]

It would suggest that we can add coconuts to the list of things eddie would alert to. I would be intetested to know what Grimes explanation would be

When Eddie alerted in the wardrobe he wasn't alerting to wardrobe wood.   The cocoa-nut material would have absorbed fluids that had surrounded it for years, so it was a reflection of the material that surrounded it IMO.

[Brietta]

To which both dogs alerted? That suggests that blood was present.

"EVRD – positive indication.

SOCO visual – positive.

Blood dog - positive indication.

Visual – positive

UV – negative (items removed prior to screening).

Quasar - negative

Positive indications confirmed as being recently deposited tissues used to clean up after sex by unknown persons."
IDENTIFIED DEFENSIVE POSITIONS http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.com/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html

No it doesn't.

If blood had been present no referral would have been made to "tissue used for cleaning up after sex" it would have referred to "bloody tissue used to clean up after nose bleed".

But what is certain is that the cadaver dog alerted to what he was trained to alert to and there were no human remains there or ever had been where he alerted.

You know - something along the lines of some of the alerts he made in Praia da Luz - the only difference being these alerts in Haute de la Garenne appear to have been documented by a SOCO 😁

[Brietta]

When Eddie alerted in the wardrobe he wasn't alerting to wardrobe wood.   The cocoa-nut material would have absorbed fluids that had surrounded it for years, so it was a reflection of the material that surrounded it IMO.

Point is though, the dog wasn't alerting to the alleged recent human remains the investigation was looking for.

[Carana]

Point is though, the dog wasn't alerting to the alleged recent human remains the investigation was looking for.

Which may just be why the dogs are considered as an asset for intelligence purposes.

[Brietta]

Which may just be why the dogs are considered as an asset for intelligence purposes.

It is also a perfect illustration of the harm that can be done when the intelligence is misunderstood or misused as was the situation in both these investigations as a direct result of the dog alerts.

[G-Unit]

When Eddie alerted in the wardrobe he wasn't alerting to wardrobe wood.   The cocoa-nut material would have absorbed fluids that had surrounded it for years, so it was a reflection of the material that surrounded it IMO.

I agree, rob. I don't think such statements as this on this thread can be justified because they are too simplistic imo.

"But we know he alerted to a coconut in Jersey..."
"Eddie alerted to a coconut... Fact"
"Eddie also alerts to coconuts."

Eddie has, as we know, also alerted to clothing and a shovel.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some people seem intent on insisting that dog alerts are always correct, that dogs simply are unable to give false alerts, that when they alert to (for example) a coconut shell it means that the coconut definitely came into contact with a cadaver.  "Dogs must never be questioned or doubted" is a strange belief to hold alongside "accept nothing, believe no one, confirm everything" IMO. 

[Mr Gray]

I agree, rob. I don't think such statements as this on this thread can be justified because they are too simplistic imo.

"But we know he alerted to a coconut in Jersey..."
"Eddie alerted to a coconut... Fact"
"Eddie also alerts to coconuts."

Eddie has, as we know, also alerted to clothing and a shovel.

So both you and Rob have stated your opinion... Im sure you will understand i have little inteterest or belief in either opinion

[Mr Gray]

I agree, rob. I don't think such statements as this on this thread can be justified because they are too simplistic imo.

"But we know he alerted to a coconut in Jersey..."
"Eddie alerted to a coconut... Fact"
"Eddie also alerts to coconuts."

Eddie has, as we know, also alerted to clothing and a shovel.

There was a study posted here that shows dogs can be unconsciously cued by their handler.. It is therefore possible that Grime thought the coconut was a piece of skull and unconsciously cued the dog

[G-Unit]

Some people seem intent on insisting that dog alerts are always correct, that dogs simply are unable to give false alerts, that when they alert to (for example) a coconut shell it means that the coconut definitely came into contact with a cadaver.  "Dogs must never be questioned or doubted" is a strange belief to hold alongside "accept nothing, believe no one, confirm everything" IMO.

Pointing out that a cadaver dog is highly unlikely to alert to the scent of coconut isn't the same as insisting that dog alerts are always correct.

[Mr Gray]

Pointing out that a cadaver dog is highly unlikely to alert to the scent of coconut isn't the same as insisting that dog alerts are always correct.

It certainly appears this one did. Perhaps teh dogs really are intelligent and overheard the anthropologist using words such as human remains. Im not suggesting the dog lied because we all know dogs dont lie

[Mr Gray]

What the dog deliberately plays a prank on you!

thats my line of thought...could the dog be playing a prank