Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's a huge subject and men aren't going to respond if women blame them for everything. I'm just grateful that they're making better vacuum cleaners now that men find themselves having to use them lol.

You’re making a strawman argument.  Who is blaming men for everything?  This conversation started when I drew attention to another two senseless murders of women by men - are we just supposed to accept them because it’s always happened and most men are decent and men are often victims too?  Should it not matter because women in Afghanistan have it worse? Did the mother and three children in Killamarsh deserved to be butchered because she might have been a bit too critical?  These are all irrelevant to the issue I raised of male on female violence. You may not think iit’s a problem but I do.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well that's obviously nonsense.

No woman in history has ever got with an ex-offender?

being violent is not usually a criterion that women would look for in a man IMO.  You think women choose to be victims of violence and seek out men in the hopes that they will be beaten and/or murdered?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well that's great, one of those rare occasions we've managed to agree on something.

Billie Eilish had to apologise for posting a video years ago in which she can be seenmouthing the lyrics of a Tyler The Creator rap in which the word “chink” is mentioned (racial epithet).  I looked up the lyrics of this song and was shocked and disgusted that no one was calling for Tyler The Creator to apologise for the rest of the lyrics which were all about murdering and cutting up women.  Talk about double standards, it makes me sick.

[Wonderfulspam]

You’re making a strawman argument.  Who is blaming men for everything?  This conversation started when I drew attention to another two senseless murders of women by men - are we just supposed to accept them because it’s always happened and most men are decent and men are often victims too?  Should it not matter because women in Afghanistan have it worse? Did the mother and three children in Killamarsh deserved to be butchered because she might have been a bit too critical?  These are all irrelevant to the issue I raised of male on female violence. You may not think iit’s a problem but I do.

I think things are being blown out of proportion.

I noticed Sadiq Khan said there was an 'epidemic' of violence against women.

The statistics don't support that imo.

Quite how roughly 3 women a week being murdered out of a population of roughly 35 million women can be described as an epidemic escapes me.

If women's lives were of genuine concern & there's risk they'll be wiped out then surely roads need to be banned. RTA's are killing women in greater numbers every year.

It's all virtue signalling, as if it needed to be said that 'murder bad'.

[Wonderfulspam]

Billie Eilish had to apologise for posting a video years ago in which she can be seen mouthing the lyrics of a Tyler The Creator rap in which the word “chink” is mentioned (racial epithet).  I looked up the lyrics of this song and was shocked and disgusted that no one was calling for Tyler The Creator to apologise for the rest of the lyrics which were all about murdering and cutting up women.  Talk about double standards, it makes me sick.

Thankfully I preserve my sanity by refusing to listen to todays trash music.

In the car I occasionally listen to radio 2, I turn it off if the likes of Eilish comes on.

Radio 1 & commercial radio are totally banned in my car & I also refuse to listen to modern black music.

I am equally averse to all things Hollywood.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think things are being blown out of proportion.

I noticed Sadiq Khan said there was an 'epidemic' of violence against women.

The statistics don't support that imo.

Quite how roughly 3 women a week being murdered out of a population of roughly 35 million women can be described as an epidemic escapes me.

If women's lives were of genuine concern & there's risk they'll be wiped out then surely roads need to be banned. RTA's are killing women in greater numbers every year.

It's all virtue signalling, as if it needed to be said that 'murder bad'.

Murder is the extreme end of the scale.  Violence against women doesn’t always end in murder.  So your use of statsitics of the “3 women a week” arguement is  more than a little misleading.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thankfully I preserve my sanity by refusing to listen to todays trash music.

In the car I occasionally listen to radio 2, I turn it off if the likes of Eilish comes on.

Radio 1 & commercial radio are totally banned in my car & I also refuse to listen to modern black music.

I am equally averse to all things Hollywood.

Well me too, on all counts (though I do quite like Billie Eilish).  Actually there’s also lots of modern black music which is not offensive, unlistenable and misogynistic.  Michael Kiwanuka for example.

[Wonderfulspam]

Murder is the extreme end of the scale.  Violence against women doesn’t always end in murder.  So your use of statsitics of the “3 women a week” arguement is  more than a little misleading.

Sadiq's comments were in response to the murder of the teacher girl.

Probably hundreds of women were battered in the weeks preceding & he never spoke up then.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sadiq's comments were in response to the murder of the teacher girl.

Probably hundreds of women were battered in the weeks preceding & he never spoke up then.

I’m not interested in using this woman’s murder to make political points whether for or against Sadiq Khan.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Crime Survey for England and Wales shows 151,000 people - including 144,000 women - were victims of rape or attempted rape in the last year for which these figures are available.

Thats’s just under 400 women being raped or sexually assaulted a day in the UK alone. 

[Wonderfulspam]

The Crime Survey for England and Wales shows 151,000 people - including 144,000 women - were victims of rape or attempted rape in the last year for which these figures are available.

Thats’s just under 400 women being raped or sexually assaulted a day in the UK alone.

That's a survey. The figures would be inaccurate.
I prefer conviction statistics because innocent until proven guilty.

[Vertigo Swirl]

For the 12-month period to year ending March 2020:

the Crime Survey for England and Wales showed that an estimated 2.3 million adults aged 16 to 74 years experienced domestic abuse in the last year (1.6 million women and 757,000 men), a slight but non-significant decrease from the previous year

That’s nearly 4400 women being abused every day in the UK. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's a survey. The figures would be inaccurate.
I prefer conviction statistics because innocent until proven guilty.

Where’s Faithlilly when you need her?  Are you of the opinion that all rapes result in a conviction? 

[Wonderfulspam]

Where’s Faithlilly when you need her?  Are you of the opinion that all rapes result in a conviction?

No. I'm of the opinion that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
It's all very well carrying out a victim survey but some are going to exaggerate or be dishonest. Some people do these things, it's a fact of life.
Too much margin for error imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No. I'm of the opinion that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
It's all very well carrying out a victim survey but some are going to exaggerate or be dishonest. Some people do these things, it's a fact of life.
Too much margin for error imo.

No persons were named in the survey so it’s ridiculous to invoke the innocent until guilty mantra on this occasion.  even if (and I’m being generous here) 50% of reported rapes and attempted rapes were made up that’s still 200 women being sexually assaulted a day.  Another thing to bear in mind is that many girls and women never report their assaults to the police.  I didn’t for example.