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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14235 on: October 09, 2022, 06:03:15 PM »
Pavlovian classical conditioning could not be related to dogs scenting a corpse. The theory was tried to be in relation to humans to a work harder reward basis. Cadaver would and should not be classified as a reward based system.

you are absolutely right...another mistake from the expert Grime

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #14236 on: October 09, 2022, 06:38:59 PM »
Grime mentioned they never alerted to rotting meat based things over 200 or 200 times. I think thats where he means no false positive.
The evrd was deployed i think 17 or 21 times but with different handler(s) out of those investigations the evrd found five bodies 2 of which in the same case. But also with help of clues and circumstantial evidence. That is good at least we know they work. However its physically impossible to know every bark is were a corpse has been because if no body is found or cctv it cant be corroborated as well as a confession.
They certainly have not been involved in 200 cases i suspect. That is a lot.

Thanks very much for providing your cite Rossb. Just a little extra examination;

Eddie was only handled by Grime; Ellis handled Frankie.
The two teams were deployed togather on 20 occasions. Twice for SYP and 18 for other clients.
Grime was deployed alone with Eddie on 17 occasions, none of them for SYP

So during 2003-2007 Eddie was deployed 37 times, mostly for other Forces. How many actual searches were involved we aren't told, but we know that while deployed in PdL Grime searched with Eddie multiple times in multiple places.

I suspect that Eddie worked before 2003, so I don't know why anything before then wasn't included.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #14237 on: October 09, 2022, 06:42:43 PM »
Pavlovian classical conditioning could not be related to dogs scenting a corpse. The theory was tried to be in relation to humans to a work harder reward basis. Cadaver would and should not be classified as a reward based system.

Eddie's reward, like most police dogs, was to play with a tennis ball when he had alerted.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #14238 on: October 09, 2022, 06:53:28 PM »
Thanks very much for providing your cite Rossb. Just a little extra examination;

Eddie was only handled by Grime; Ellis handled Frankie.
The two teams were deployed togather on 20 occasions. Twice for SYP and 18 for other clients.
Grime was deployed alone with Eddie on 17 occasions, none of them for SYP

So during 2003-2007 Eddie was deployed 37 times, mostly for other Forces. How many actual searches were involved we aren't told, but we know that while deployed in PdL Grime searched with Eddie multiple times in multiple places.

I suspect that Eddie worked before 2003, so I don't know why anything before then wasn't included.
In 37 searches how many bodies did he find and how many times did he bark at “cadaver odour” where no remains were present?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14239 on: October 09, 2022, 07:08:28 PM »
Eddie's reward, like most police dogs, was to play with a tennis ball when he had alerted.

Fancy that.  Reward a dog for alerting.  Did anyone tell the dog not to cheat?

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #14240 on: October 09, 2022, 08:19:57 PM »
Fancy that.  Reward a dog for alerting.  Did anyone tell the dog not to cheat?

Didn't you know police dog handlers use rewards? Well I never...

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #14241 on: October 09, 2022, 08:28:54 PM »
Didn't you know police dog handlers use rewards? Well I never...

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Nuts.  The Handler can't possibly know.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14242 on: October 09, 2022, 08:43:57 PM »
It seems G-Unit has put me on ignore  @)(++(*
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Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #14243 on: October 09, 2022, 08:51:22 PM »
It seems G-Unit has put me on ignore  @)(++(*

Are you sure?  Very odd thing to do for a Moderator.

Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14244 on: October 09, 2022, 08:57:54 PM »
Are you sure?  Very odd thing to do for a Moderator.
So is commenting on speculation.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14245 on: October 09, 2022, 09:09:54 PM »
Nuts.  The Handler can't possibly know.

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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #14246 on: October 09, 2022, 09:12:14 PM »
Are you sure?  Very odd thing to do for a Moderator.

Sure? No. Wrong? Yes.
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Offline The General

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« Reply #14247 on: October 09, 2022, 09:15:20 PM »
Sure? No. Wrong? Yes.
Yeeesh....awkward.
The cringe is strong in this mod.
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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14248 on: October 09, 2022, 09:21:38 PM »
Know what?
Whatever Davie Gray said, as usual.
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Offline The General

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #14249 on: October 09, 2022, 09:31:22 PM »
Didn't you know police dog handlers use rewards? Well I never...

Apartment H5

We searched this apartment and the dog hasn't shown any interest in this particular apartment, apart from around the table, where there was a tennis ball which is how we reward the dog for finding things, as soon as we removed the tennis ball the interest was gone. And so it was a negative search.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
In terms of Pavlovian experimentation, as most people know, but most supporters clearly don't, the law of temporal contiguity is key. The correlation is absent if the time lapse is too great. Classical conditioning. Psychology A Level term 1.
Read on, or shut up everyone, because literally nobody here has the first clue what they're talking about. Except me, of course.
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