Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

All British police dogs, irrespective of the discipline they are trained in, must be licensed to work operationally. To obtain the licence they have to pass a test at the completion of their training, and then again every year until they retire, which is usually at about the age of 8. The standards required to become operational are laid down by the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) sub-committee on police dogs and are reviewed on a regular basis to ensure that training and licensing reflects the most appropriate methods and standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_dog#United_Kingdom

We've seen before.. The training is basic and anecdotal.
These dogs are trained nd tested as VR dogs... Not residual scent dogs. As I understand there is no testing for remnant scent

[faithlilly]

I know exactly what I'm going to do next

It’s a simple enough question….have you emailed Grime yet with your concerns?

[Eleanor]

I have no idea, but Grime was still a serving police officer so I assume not.

Grime was on Retirement Leave and had taken charge of both dogs and wasn't still a serving Police Officer.

There was No Licence for one of the dogs although I can't remember which one now.  The Licence for the other dog ran out shortly afterwards.

[G-Unit]

We've seen before.. The training is basic and anecdotal.
These dogs are trained nd tested as VR dogs... Not residual scent dogs. As I understand there is no testing for remnant scent

Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently

tested and licensed annually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling'

programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of

assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their

type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[Eleanor]

Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently

tested and licensed annually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling'

programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of

assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their

type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

What a load of rubbish.  One of the dogs no longer had a Licence.  And Martin Grime had retired.

[G-Unit]

What a load of rubbish.  One of the dogs no longer had a Licence.  And Martin Grime had retired.

Which assertions you can, of course, support with corroberating evidence, showing that they are facts, not myths.

[Eleanor]

Which assertions you can, of course, support with corroberating evidence, showing that they are facts, not myths.

Presuming that you can prove that Grime was still a serving Police Officer.

[G-Unit]

Presuming that you can prove that Grime was still a serving Police Officer.

There isn't an exact date given for Grime's retirement, just August 2007. The search of 5A was carried out on 31st July, when he was definitely a serving police officer.

Now prove that he retired on 1st August and when Eddie's licence ran out.

[Eleanor]

There isn't an exact date given for Grime's retirement, just August 2007. The search of 5A was carried out on 31st July, when he was definitely a serving police officer.

Now prove that he retired on 1st August and when Eddie's licence ran out.

Did Grime go to PdL on the instructions of The South Yorkshire Police?  And who got paid for the job?

[Mr Gray]

Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently

tested and licensed annually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling'

programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of

assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their

type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

I'm sure you are not suggesting there was no other cadaver dog in the world. Its true the team of a blood dog and a dog that reacted to blood and cadaver... Used as a team was unique.. I'm sure anyone else would see what a useless idea it was.

Sceptics have taken this statement to mean the dogs were the best iin the world... Utter rubbish

[Mr Gray]

Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently

tested and licensed annually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling'

programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of

assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their

type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Licensed and tested for what... Human remains... Not residual scent.. That was Harrisond new idea in 2005.. He doesn't seem to have mentioned it since

[G-Unit]

Did Grime go to PdL on the instructions of The South Yorkshire Police?  And who got paid for the job?

I take it you can't provide Grime's retirement date or the date when Eddie's licence allegedly expired then. Unfounded assertions.

[Brietta]

I take it you can't provide Grime's retirement date or the date when Eddie's licence allegedly expired then. Unfounded assertions.

3.10.11 We now deal with the introduction of Martin GRIME and his Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD) to Operation Rectangle. Operation Haven has established through enquiry with the NPIA, that Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by ACPO. Whilst Martin GRIME’s original contract to Jersey was for five days, his actual deployment lasted for 130 days.
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3692.msg140742#msg140742
 

[G-Unit]

Licensed and tested for what... Human remains... Not residual scent.. That was Harrisond new idea in 2005.. He doesn't seem to have mentioned it since

How pray could they test on human remains? I doubt if they were allowed to scatter corpses around the countryside every six months for Eddie to find.

[Mr Gray]

How pray could they test on human remains? I doubt if they were allowed to scatter corpses around the countryside every six months for Eddie to find.

They are supposed to be tested for their ability to detect human remains but t I agree its an absolute farce... Cadaver dogs that have never been properly tested