Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you can't work it out for yourself then I really can't be bothered to help you dear. Bless you gullible old McCann supporters. Blind faith in the McCanns & Wolters. Not much in the way of abduction evidence though.

No I can?t work it out and that?s why I?m asking you to explain how Gerry was at the table at 10pm whilst simultaneously delivering his child?s body to a far flung bin in town.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Gerry is the last person to claim that Madeleine was alive & well sleeping in her bed. We can either take his word for it, or you can ask yourself why his 9pm check took an unusual length of time, such that Jane Tanner mentioned it. What was he doing on that extra long Check? He could possibly have moved Madeleine's body out of the apartment & hidden her somewhere along the road in the direction of the Smiths sighting. Under a Bush or behind a wall or in a bin. It was dark & late so it wouldn't have been impossible to hide a child somewhere. There's luck & chance involved but you take a chance in life every time you cross the road, fly in a plane or stick your face in a fan.

We know why his check took so long, he spent a considerable chunk of his time absent from the table chatting to Jez Wilkins.  Why on earth would he need to hide the body twice in one night?  Why not just chuck it in the nearest bin rather than one a 10 minute walk away? 

[Joe Blogs]

Matts visit was spontaneous. I think Kate was meant to check at 8:30 but when Matt offered they couldn't really turn him down. I don't believe he was involved but he did talk a load of nonsense in his police interview.

Why on earth didn't he go into the bedroom and look to see if Maddie was there?
Wasn't that the only reason he was there, to check the kids were alright?
Surely that was the one and 'only' reason for being in the McCanns flat? mmmm??

[Vertigo Swirl]

From around 10pm when the alarm was raised. But obviously, we can't be sure of the exact time the alarm was raised because the guests at the Tapas were dining, not staring at their watches all evening.

We know thanks to one of the witnesses who did notice the time that at 10pm all was quiet by the Apartment 5a, no one onthe streets, no shouting, no crying, all was calm.  The alarm had obviously not yet been raised.

[Wonderfulspam]

No I can?t work it out and that?s why I?m asking you to explain how Gerry was at the table at 10pm whilst simultaneously delivering his child?s body to a far flung bin in town.

Because the alarm was raised shortly before 10pm by a few minutes . Not 10pm precisely. The guests were mistaken by a few minutes. No one looked at the clock & wrote the exact time down the moment Kate came screaming that 'they' had taken her. They all came up with an estimate, & if that estimate is off by 5 mins then that gives time for Gerry to be Smithman. I don't know why this needs explaining. It's not that difficult but it's left some people perplexed for 19 years.

[Wonderfulspam]

We know thanks to one of the witnesses who did notice the time that at 10pm all was quiet by the Apartment 5a, no one onthe streets, no shouting, no crying, all was calm.  The alarm had obviously not yet been raised.

She was wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

He moves her out of the apartment at 9pm. Hides her I the directions of the Smith sighting. Returns to the apartment, then back to the Tapas. The alarm is raised a few minutes before 10pm. They all run to the apartment  they split up & search, Gerry searches alone innthe direction of the Smith sighting, retrieves Madeleine?s body, gets seen by the Smiths at about 10:03, then puts her body in an commercial waste dumpster type bin. The guests at the Tapas were mistaken about the exact time the alarm was raised & that's why Gerry appears to be in two places at once. He wasn't. It's just the timed are off.

So now you have Gerry hiding the body AFTER the alarm was raised?!  So that now puts the Smith sighting WAY after 10pm then.  Because if the alarm was raised after 10 (which we know it likely was based on the fact that all was quiet outside the apartment at 10pm) that means the Smith sighting happened about 10.10 to 10.15pm, which none of the Smiths gave as the time they saw the man, and they seemed quite sure it was around 10pm.  Were all 9 of them mistaken too?

[Vertigo Swirl]

She was wrong.

Based on what, the fact that it doesn?t fit with your theory?

[Wonderfulspam]

Based on what, the fact that it doesn?t fit with your theory?

Based on the fact that the McCanns definitely did it. If any witness believes otherwise then they are obviously mistaken.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It seems in order for Gerry to be Smithman, all the witnesses have to be wrong about everything, except for Mr Smith when 4 whole months after the event he thought the man he saw might have been Gerry.  As far as Spam is concerned that is the only witness statement in the whole files that can possibly be accurate.  Hilarious!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Based on the fact that the McCanns definitely did it. If any witness believes otherwise then they are obviously mistaken.

Now I know you?re just taking the piss, thanks for confirming.

[Wonderfulspam]

It seems in order for Gerry to be Smithman, all the witnesses have to be wrong about everything, except for Mr Smith when 4 whole months after the event he thought the man he saw might have been Gerry.  As far as Spam is concerned that is the only witness statement in the whole files that can possibly be accurate.  Hilarious!!

It's a very convincing sighting. A man witnessed by a family of 4+ not far from the apartment carrying a child closely matching Madeleine?s description. But no. Don't look here. Look over there, there's tannerman. Focus all the attention on him. Bury the e-fits & just forget about the Smith sighting. That's what the innocent parents of an abducted child would do.

[Wonderfulspam]

So now you have Gerry hiding the body AFTER the alarm was raised?!  So that now puts the Smith sighting WAY after 10pm then.  Because if the alarm was raised after 10 (which we know it likely was based on the fact that all was quiet outside the apartment at 10pm) that means the Smith sighting happened about 10.10 to 10.15pm, which none of the Smiths gave as the time they saw the man, and they seemed quite sure it was around 10pm.  Were all 9 of them mistaken too?

No. You misunderstood. He moves her twice. First on his extra long piss break at 9pm he moves her out of the apartment. The alarm gets raised maybe 9:55, which could easily be described as around 10pm. He moves her again during his search & that's when he's seen around 10:03- 05.

[Joe Blogs]

Now I know you?re just taking the piss, thanks for confirming.

I hate to say it, Vertigo! But you claimed 500 yards could be walked in five minutes!

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's a very convincing sighting. A man witnessed by a family of 4+ not far from the apartment carrying a child closely matching Madeleine?s description. But no. Don't look here. Look over there, there's tannerman. Focus all the attention on him. Bury the e-fits & just forget about the Smith sighting. That's what the innocent parents of an abducted child would do.

It was a family of 9.  7 of the 9 disagreed with Smith that it was Gerry McCann.  If you were wrongly id?ed as a suspect you probably wouldn?t be giving the sighting the credibility it deserved either.  Nevertheless in her book Kate describes Smithman as a criucial sighting and disagrees with the police that Smithman and Tannerman are unrelated.  Of course this was before Totman was id?ed as Tannerman.