Wandering Off Topic

[faithlilly]

The fact that it?s very show-offy but difficult to read which is odd in itself if you wanted others to read an understand your heartfelt plea for money or freedom or both, or whatever it was he was begging for - you?d want to make it clear, legible with no thestrical flourishes.   It strikes me that the writer is very controlled and wants to be seen as something he is not.  Same with CB?s writing which is actually very different in style but looks like it was printed by a machine.  It?s just odd, but of course you will have a completely different opinion and that?s perfectly fine too, it?s really not that important enough to get on your high horse about is it?  BTW I also think Donald and Melania Trump?s signatures are somewhat disturbing too, perhaps you?re more inclined to agree with me on that?

I, like yourself, know anything about graphology and therefore am not be in a position to interpret anyone?s writing.

[Joe Blogs]

The parents told the press that they would take a polygraph then backtracked, saying that it couldn?t be used as evidence in court. That, of course, was beside the point.

On the other hand Luke and Corrine begged to take a polygraph to prove their innocence. Of course they passed.

I dont know about LM hand writing, Faith, but personally any time I have heard him speak I hear truth in his voice, and that goes for Corinne too! A polygraph may not be 100% reliable, but it has to be noted that both Luke and his mum passed with flying colours, no deception detected! And it was carried out by Terry Mullins who is among the best in the field of lie detection.
I think Vertigo has to accept that the fact that the McCanns have never taken a polygraph test is a point against them.
I think that would have been the first thing I would have done if I was accused of being involved in Maddies disappearance.

[faithlilly]

I dont know about LM hand writing, Faith, but personally any time I have heard him speak I hear truth in his voice, and that goes for Corinne too! A polygraph may not be 100% reliable, but it has to be noted that both Luke and his mum passed with flying colours, no deception detected! And it was carried out by Terry Mullins who is among the best in the field of lie detection.
I think Vertigo has to accept that the fact that the McCanns have never taken a polygraph test is a point against them.

Absolutely Joe and it?s obvious that Luke and Corrine believed that polygraphs were definitive.

I really don?t understand why the parents told the press that they?d take a polygraph in the first place. Best say nothing.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Then why did the parents agree to take one, at one point? What did they hope to achieve?

As I am not their spokesperson you would have to ask them that question.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I, like yourself, know anything about graphology and therefore am not be in a position to interpret anyone?s writing.

But you asked me my opinion and I gave it.  I do inow a little bit about the subject as people?s handwriting has always been an interest of mine.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know about LM hand writing, Faith, but personally any time I have heard him speak I hear truth in his voice, and that goes for Corinne too! A polygraph may not be 100% reliable, but it has to be noted that both Luke and his mum passed with flying colours, no deception detected! And it was carried out by Terry Mullins who is among the best in the field of lie detection.
I think Vertigo has to accept that the fact that the McCanns have never taken a polygraph test is a point against them.
I think that would have been the first thing I would have done if I was accused of being involved in Maddies disappearance.

They didn?t refuse to take one.  Moreover if you actually researched the subject you would know that innocent people have failed the tests and guilty people (especially psychopaths) have passed them.  Why would you take the risk of a test if you were innocent knowing there was a good chance you would fail it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Absolutely Joe and it?s obvious that Luke and Corrine believed that polygraphs were definitive.

I really don?t understand why the parents told the press that they?d take a polygraph in the first place. Best say nothing.

I?ve googled it.  They apparently indicated their willingness to take one if requested to do so by the investigating authorities but the Portuguese police declined to do so as polygraph evidence is not admissible in their courts.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Would you still agree to take a test after reading this?

Innocent people frequently fail polygraph tests due to anxiety, fear, or stress, leading to false positives. Notable cases include Frank Sterling (wrongfully imprisoned for 22 years), Bill Wegerle (suspected in his wife's murder), and John Sosnovske (who was wrongly pressured to plead no contest). These cases underscore that polygraphs are not infallible.

Frank Sterling (1988): After failing a polygraph regarding the murder of Viola Manville, Sterling was coerced into a false confession and served 22 years in prison. The actual killer, Mark Christie, had passed a polygraph for the same murder and went on to kill another victim before his guilt was discovered.

Bill Wegerle (1986): Suspected of killing his wife, Wegerle failed a polygraph test. He was innocent; it was later proven that the BTK killer, Dennis Rader, committed the crime.

John Sosnovske (1991): Protesting his innocence in the murder of Taunja Bennett, Sosnovske failed a polygraph, while his co-accused (who was actually involved) passed, leading to a false conviction.

Byron Halsey: In a case highlighted by the American Polygraph Association, Halsey failed a polygraph and was wrongfully convicted of murder.

Ed Owens: Accused of child sexual abuse, Owens failed one polygraph but passed a subsequent one, illustrating the inconsistent nature of the test.

[Joe Blogs]

They didn?t refuse to take one.  Moreover if you actually researched the subject you would know that innocent people have failed the tests and guilty people (especially psychopaths) have passed them.  Why would you take the risk of a test if you were innocent knowing there was a good chance you would fail it?

Yes, I understand what you're saying, Vertigo, I have read about polygraphs, but I think they are generaly 70-80% accurate, so pretty good odds for someone who isn't psychotic!
And isn't there an eye test now thats even better?

[Joe Blogs]

Would you still agree to take a test after reading this?

Innocent people frequently fail polygraph tests due to anxiety, fear, or stress, leading to false positives. Notable cases include Frank Sterling (wrongfully imprisoned for 22 years), Bill Wegerle (suspected in his wife's murder), and John Sosnovske (who was wrongly pressured to plead no contest). These cases underscore that polygraphs are not infallible.

Frank Sterling (1988): After failing a polygraph regarding the murder of Viola Manville, Sterling was coerced into a false confession and served 22 years in prison. The actual killer, Mark Christie, had passed a polygraph for the same murder and went on to kill another victim before his guilt was discovered.

Bill Wegerle (1986): Suspected of killing his wife, Wegerle failed a polygraph test. He was innocent; it was later proven that the BTK killer, Dennis Rader, committed the crime.

John Sosnovske (1991): Protesting his innocence in the murder of Taunja Bennett, Sosnovske failed a polygraph, while his co-accused (who was actually involved) passed, leading to a false conviction.

Byron Halsey: In a case highlighted by the American Polygraph Association, Halsey failed a polygraph and was wrongfully convicted of murder.

Ed Owens: Accused of child sexual abuse, Owens failed one polygraph but passed a subsequent one, illustrating the inconsistent nature of the test.

Well I suppose you've got a point, Vertigo! The fact that they can give false results will no doubt put some people off!

[faithlilly]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-abuse-bill-2020-factsheets/mandatory-polygraph-tests-factsheet#what-are-we-doing

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, Vertigo, I have read about polygraphs, but I think they are generaly 70-80% accurate, so pretty good odds for someone who isn't psychotic!
And isn't there an eye test now thats even better?

Those odds wouldn't satisfy me, they're about the same odds as playing Russian Roulette with a six chamber revolver with a bullet in it.

[Uncle Jr]

Those odds wouldn't satisfy me, they're about the same odds as playing Russian Roulette with a six chamber revolver with a bullet in it.

....depends if you spin the cylinder or not.

[Vertigo Swirl]

....depends if you spin the cylinder or not.

Either way it's a high risk game that could end in tears (or your brains splattered against the wall). 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, I understand what you're saying, Vertigo, I have read about polygraphs, but I think they are generaly 70-80% accurate, so pretty good odds for someone who isn't psychotic!
And isn't there an eye test now thats even better?

Is there?  That sounds like something out of Blade Runner.