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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 09:15:51 PM »
I thought I'd use the index to see if the word violent was in there but my eye caught the words "police confrontational interview" with Robert Murat 244-5.  Turning to the page you can read about the interview but on page 244 is the crucial sentence in the whole book, one that would just pass by everyone else.

"They waited for a while because the police said Silvia Batista would be joining them.  For some reason she never did."
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stephen25000

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 09:24:26 PM »
Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on what they did which was so different to the actions of the other 3 sets of parents whose children didn't go missing?

They were just as bad.

By the way, did they also leave their respective accommodations unlocked ?

If the Mccanns felt there was no possibility of burglary, why did they lock the apartment during the daytime ?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2016, 09:26:28 PM »
The most well known one was repeating the words "You tosser"  But there are many more.

You interpret that as a method of controlling her temper? She doesn't say that though;

This quiet chant somehow kept me strong, kept me in control. This man did not deserve my respect. ‘F**k*ng t*ss*r . .

She didn't always manage control;

I felt like a caged, demented animal. This was, without doubt, torture of the cruellest kind. Finally, I erupted. I began to scream, swear and lash out. I kicked an extra bed that had been brought into the apartment and smashed the end right off it.
[Madeleine]


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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2016, 09:33:35 PM »
You interpret that as a method of controlling her temper? She doesn't say that though;

This quiet chant somehow kept me strong, kept me in control. This man did not deserve my respect. ‘F**k*ng t*ss*r . .

She didn't always manage control;

I felt like a caged, demented animal. This was, without doubt, torture of the cruellest kind. Finally, I erupted. I began to scream, swear and lash out. I kicked an extra bed that had been brought into the apartment and smashed the end right off it.
[Madeleine]
Yes that was a better example.  Yes but consider what could have happened if the words "‘F**k*ng t*ss*r . . " had not kept her in "control", she might have dealt to the cop!
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Offline misty

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2016, 10:11:39 PM »
They were just as bad.

By the way, did they also leave their respective accommodations unlocked ?

If the Mccanns felt there was no possibility of burglary, why did they lock the apartment during the daytime ?

The McCanns didn't. Cleaner's testimony re the Wednesday (on the video I think) in which she said both parents left by the patio door.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pUKiuugYUI (from 1m36s)
The Oldfields didn't. (Rachel's rogatory)


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id253.html

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1578    “In terms of entry and exit to your apartment, which entry or exit did you most frequently use”?
Reply    “We used the front door, I mean if we were just sort of all popping out and just quickly to the pool, we’d go out the patio doors and just leave them unlocked, erm cos you couldn’t lock them from the outside but I mean certainly at night when we went to dinner and if we were gonna be off for a couple of hours, then we went out the front door and you could you know, double lock it so”.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2016, 10:30:07 PM »
Yes that was a better example.  Yes but consider what could have happened if the words "‘F**k*ng t*ss*r . . " had not kept her in "control", she might have dealt to the cop!

Doing that, she said, kept her strong. If you're not strong you're weak. I interpret that as saying it helped her to control her weakness, not her temper. If we are overcome by weakness we break down, not attack.

When she was questioned by Neves and Encarnação previously she definitely broke down;

Neves stated bluntly that they didn’t believe my version of events. It ‘didn’t fit’ with what they knew. Didn’t fit? What did they know? I was sobbing now, well past the stage of silent tears and stifled sniffs. I began to wail hysterically, drawing breath in desperate gasps. Why did I think Madeleine had been alive when
she was taken from the apartment? they persisted. I explained between sobs that there had been nothing
to suggest otherwise; no indication that she might have come to harm....was incapable of looking at anyone properly: my own eyes were so swollen and sore that I was struggling to keep them from closing completely.
[Madeleine]

Perhaps that was what she was trying to avoid this time?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2016, 10:59:43 PM »
Doing that, she said, kept her strong. If you're not strong you're weak. I interpret that as saying it helped her to control her weakness, not her temper. If we are overcome by weakness we break down, not attack.

When she was questioned by Neves and Encarnação previously she definitely broke down;

Neves stated bluntly that they didn’t believe my version of events. It ‘didn’t fit’ with what they knew. Didn’t fit? What did they know? I was sobbing now, well past the stage of silent tears and stifled sniffs. I began to wail hysterically, drawing breath in desperate gasps. Why did I think Madeleine had been alive when
she was taken from the apartment? they persisted. I explained between sobs that there had been nothing
to suggest otherwise; no indication that she might have come to harm....was incapable of looking at anyone properly: my own eyes were so swollen and sore that I was struggling to keep them from closing completely.
[Madeleine]

Perhaps that was what she was trying to avoid this time?
True one wouldn't want that every day.
But the word control is there in the sentence as well.  And the opposite of control is out of control.  I find I feel for her and I nearly cry along with her.  I believe she is innocent to the nth degree.
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Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2016, 12:11:15 AM »
A more dramatic sentence is found on page 340 where she wants to kill someone. "I would lie on the bed, hating the person who had done this to us ..... I wanted to kill him."
Clearly evidence of psychopathy.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2016, 12:16:21 AM »
True one wouldn't want that every day.
But the word control is there in the sentence as well.  And the opposite of control is out of control.  I find I feel for her and I nearly cry along with her.  I believe she is innocent to the nth degree.

What was the reason for the crying, do you think?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 01:23:23 AM »
What was the reason for the crying, do you think?

quote
There had been a ‘shift’ in the investigation, they said. They had always been optimistic that Madeleine was alive, but now things had changed. Almost instantaneously I could feel my breathing pattern altering and that familiar constriction in my throat. Gerry asked if any evidence had come to light to suggest that Madeleine was dead but they wouldn’t reply.
end quote

quote
Now the sirens in my head were deafening. I was on my own and afraid. Please God, let my Madeleine be OK.
end quote

quote
Through his tears he pleaded with the two men: ‘Do you have evidence that Madeleine is dead? We’re her parents. You have to tell us.’
‘It’s coming,’ Neves told him. ‘It’s coming!’
end quote


She was crying.

Her husband was crying.

Because they thought their daughter was dead.

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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2016, 09:17:12 AM »
From what Kate says the interview with Neves and Encarnação broke the law. Nothing was being written down, they had no official interpreter and were not offered legal representation because they weren't arguidos.

Despite that she was clearly being pushed to confess to something. Portuguese law says that a witness must be made arguido if they are going to be questioned in such a way that their answers may incriminate them. In other words they are entitled to legal advice and to the right to remain silent. This interview wasn't even a witness interview; it wasn't recorded.

Kate says Gerry made phone calls in search of help, but not if any was forthcoming or what form it took.

She doesn't say if they complained about this interview, but it's clear they should have and that the British officials should have advised this and helped them to do it.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2016, 09:44:49 AM »
From what Kate says the interview with Neves and Encarnação broke the law. Nothing was being written down, they had no official interpreter and were not offered legal representation because they weren't arguidos.

Despite that she was clearly being pushed to confess to something. Portuguese law says that a witness must be made arguido if they are going to be questioned in such a way that their answers may incriminate them. In other words they are entitled to legal advice and to the right to remain silent. This interview wasn't even a witness interview; it wasn't recorded.

Kate says Gerry made phone calls in search of help, but not if any was forthcoming or what form it took.

She doesn't say if they complained about this interview, but it's clear they should have and that the British officials should have advised this and helped them to do it.
There must be a limit to what the UK authorities would be willing to interfere with an investigation.  Maybe they OKed this questioning, even if it seems wrong to us.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2016, 04:45:47 PM »
There must be a limit to what the UK authorities would be willing to interfere with an investigation.  Maybe they OKed this questioning, even if it seems wrong to us.

Well, we don't know what they thought really, but if the interview was carried out as Kate described it wasn't in accordance with Portuguese law.

When they left the police station the Portuguese media were waiting, but I can't find any photos of Kate as she describes herself;

My eyes were narrow slits in fat, purple lids. My blotchy face seemed to be ageing by the day.
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2016, 04:48:04 PM »
Well, we don't know what they thought really, but if the interview was carried out as Kate described it wasn't in accordance with Portuguese law.

When they left the police station the Portuguese media were waiting, but I can't find any photos of Kate as she describes herself;

My eyes were narrow slits in fat, purple lids. My blotchy face seemed to be ageing by the day.
[Madeleine]
My reading of this is that Kate is obsessed with her looks and is fishing for compliments.  Obviously she couldn't really have been so distressed to have caused the disfigurement she describes.  It's made up nonsense and makes no sense..

Offline Eleanor

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2016, 05:16:20 PM »
What was the reason for the crying, do you think?

You really need to ask that?