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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #420 on: January 20, 2017, 07:32:44 AM »
Eddie did not alert to the odour of bacon or pork. That's a ridiculous suggestion.
I agree.
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Offline sadie

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #421 on: January 20, 2017, 09:50:47 AM »
Eddie did not alert to the odour of bacon or pork. That's a ridiculous suggestion.

I agree.

Why?

He was trained on dead pig.   NOT on human bodies.

And Grime, himself, says that he alerts to it.
Quote:
In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in
petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains


Why is it ridiculous ?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #422 on: January 20, 2017, 09:54:42 AM »
Why?

He was trained on dead pig.   NOT on human bodies.

And Grime, himself, says that he alerts to it.
Quote:
In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in
petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains


Why is it ridiculous ?
There is a big difference to rotten pig meat to fresh pork or cured pig meat products.
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Offline Benice

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #423 on: January 20, 2017, 10:15:37 AM »
Eddie did not alert to the odour of bacon or pork. That's a ridiculous suggestion.

The following comment from MG would seem to contradict that.

Quote from MG
In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains
Unquote
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline sadie

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #424 on: January 20, 2017, 10:20:24 AM »
There is a big difference to rotten pig meat to fresh pork or cured pig meat products.
So humans being searched for, by cadaver dogs, in big fires would have to have died and rotted before they were consumed by the flames?  Otherwise the cadaver dogs wouldn't find them?

I think not


REUTERS
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/video/2016/12/04/police-may-use-robots-cadaver-dogs-to-fi?videoId=370623398&videoChannel=1 

Video  (there is a video but I dont know how to copy it across)
Top News
Dec 4, 2016 | 01:38
Police may use robots, cadaver dogs to find California fire victims

Crews searching for the victims of a fire in Oakland, California say they're not able to reach parts of the collapsed warehouse and may need to bring in cadaver dogs and robots. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).

Video
Top News
Dec 4, 2016 | 01:38
Police may use robots, cadaver dogs to find California fire victims

Crews searching for the victims of a fire in Oakland, California say they're not able to reach parts of the collapsed warehouse and may need to bring in cadaver dogs and robots. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).


And another one.

http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/194120374-story
Cadaver dogs searching rubble for human remains after 'Bluecut' fire destroys 96 homes

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #425 on: January 20, 2017, 10:50:31 AM »
Sadie - in that link are these words "These highly trained cadaver dogs, use their strong noses to sniff out any sign of human decomposition before alerting their handlers"
Even burned bodies will decompose.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #426 on: January 20, 2017, 11:39:33 AM »
Why?

He was trained on dead pig.   NOT on human bodies.

And Grime, himself, says that he alerts to it.
Quote:
In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in
petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains


Why is it ridiculous ?

Obviously he should have said...

In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of rotting decaying pig soaked in
petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #427 on: January 20, 2017, 12:18:01 PM »
Whatever the ins and outs of the 1 cubic centimetre of pork, Grime clearly states Eddie does not alert to cooked bacon or sausages. Suggesting that he did is ridiculous; he would be useless unless the police were peckish.
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ferryman

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Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #428 on: January 20, 2017, 12:21:03 PM »
Whatever the ins and outs of the 1 cubic centimetre of pork, Grime clearly states Eddie does not alert to cooked bacon or sausages. Suggesting that he did is ridiculous; he would be useless unless the police were peckish.

Cured meats.  Dogs trained on pork (as Eddie was!) won't react to cured meats.

But plain pork!

Of course Eddie would (have) reacted to that.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #429 on: January 20, 2017, 12:46:09 PM »
Cured meats.  Dogs trained on pork (as Eddie was!) won't react to cured meats.

But plain pork!

Of course Eddie would (have) reacted to that.

Why? He was trained using decomposing pig remains, so would not alert to fresh pork.

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ferryman

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Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #430 on: January 20, 2017, 12:47:33 PM »
Why? He was trained using decomposing pig remains, so would not alert to fresh pork.

Pork is dead pigs.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #431 on: January 20, 2017, 03:37:12 PM »
Pork is dead pigs.

Pork is the meat of a dead pig which is prevented from decomposing before cooking.
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ferryman

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Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #432 on: January 20, 2017, 03:54:06 PM »
Pork is the meat of a dead pig which is prevented from decomposing before cooking.

Some meats are cured; other meats are uncured.

http://www.healthnowwealthforever.com/health/cured-vs-uncured-meat-really-matter/

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #433 on: January 20, 2017, 06:02:29 PM »
Pork is the meat of a dead pig which is prevented from decomposing before cooking.

pork decomposes...thats why it has to be kept in the fridge

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #434 on: January 20, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »
pork decomposes...thats why it has to be kept in the fridge
Badly kept pork is a possible source of confusion for a cadaver dog in a house I suppose, unless Grime had a training technique to prevent that and I think he did, by later using only human cadaver body parts in training which gave the dogs the title "enhanced victim recovery dogs (EVRD).
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