Have the dog alerts any significance?

[misty]

Hey Wishbone give a Kewpie Doll to the broad with the Rowdy Yates hairdo......


ps I thought doing it as one word might throw some people off the scent as it were.

I was rather hoping for something to eat, Alice 

[misty]

Well yes it does otherwise he would stand all day in the same corner expecting to play ball every time he barked.

It raises the question as to why the handler decided to take the dog back into the same room he had already spent a considerable amount of time scenting and had produced an alert.

[Robittybob1]

It raises the question as to why the handler decided to take the dog back into the same room he had already spent a considerable amount of time scenting and had produced an alert.

I'll have a look later.

[Robittybob1]

OMG, you are right

What is going on here?

It must be that he was over excited the first time, in that corner between the wardrobe and the bed ... and that is why he alerted.

But not the second time he went there.

Jeez, there are so many faults with this so called alert ... you could write a book .... almost !

When Eddie goes near the wardrobe the second time Martin Grime growls at Eddie, "No". and he comes away without checking the shelves, hence no alert the second time.

[G-Unit]

and there are more who simply do not understand the significance of the alerts...you are probably one of them
These  people keep peddling ridiculous notions such as "dogs don't lie" which is hardly surprising as they don't speak

Sometimes they don't need to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88XQcpU5Vuk

[Robittybob1]

Sometimes they don't need to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88XQcpU5Vuk

That was funny but this dog was even better at lying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OABwers2J-0

[barrier]

and there are more who simply do not understand the significance of the alerts..

So true,especially when we have the judge in the McCann V Amaral judgement back in 2015 stating as proven facts that the dog alerted to cadaver in 5a and the hire car.

[barrier]

The dog should have been in a 'continuous loop'.

If there was scent there he would have alerted every time he came into contact with it ... it was what he was trained to do.

It is not possible to have an alert and then have no alert at the same location.  Doesn't make sense.

Well spotted Misty.

Is there an expert way of doing things or a forumnite's opinion on how it should be done.

[stephen25000]

Isn't it remarkable how several posters on here think they know better than Martin Grime, on how and why the dogs reacted, when they have no experience or training in the field of forensic dogs whatsoever.

Nah, not really, but very predictable.

[stephen25000]

Eddie went for additional training in America.

It is well known why , and for what purposes.

[G-Unit]

Isn't it remarkable how several posters on here think they know better than Martin Grime, on how and why the dogs reacted, when they have no experience or training in the field of forensic dogs whatsoever.

Nah, not really, but very predictable.

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I find the mental gymnastics quite amusing though. I wonder if any dog trainers/handlers read here for amusement?

[stephen25000]

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I find the mental gymnastics quite amusing though. I wonder if any dog trainers/handlers read here for amusement?

I feel sure some have.

[ferryman]

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I find the mental gymnastics quite amusing though. I wonder if any dog trainers/handlers read here for amusement?

This summarized description raises a question that we would like to see answered: could the dog be 'marking' not the odours emanated from a cadaver, directly or indirectly (by contagious), but from blood in putrefaction'

These dogs are means for obtaining proof but they cannot be used as proof. They must be taken as instruments. Any vestige, even invisible to the eye, recovered with the use of these dogs, has to be subjected to forensic exam on a credited laboratory.

It is the same Martin Grime that, at pages 2271, refers on his report: 'Although it cannot constitute proof admissible to court, it can help on the recovery of intelligence for the investigation of serious crimes'.

In this case the dogs signalled several places. The technicians of the Scientific Police Laboratory recovered those vestiges ' vestiges that that on it's majority were not visible to the eye ' and sent them to the laboratories for the necessary forensic exams, in order to recover and identify the DNA profiles, that might be extracted from them.

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

[Lace]

Grime says Eddie was trained on human remains in America,  and came away with the name 'Enhanced'  cadaver dog,  yet he also says Eddie couldn't tell the difference between pig and human remains,  so  I fail to see why Eddie had the name 'Enhanced'  at all.

[Mr Gray]

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I find the mental gymnastics quite amusing though. I wonder if any dog trainers/handlers read here for amusement?

you cannot get away from the fact taht the alerts are not reliable as evidence and no inference can be drawn from them.
i dont find it amusing...i find it terribly sad that the Mccans are pillorried because people do not have the intelligence to understand the alerts