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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #525 on: January 21, 2017, 01:57:44 PM »
It's not hard. If Eddie barks it's a positive alert - wardrobe, sofa, garden, clothes, car etc. The dogs trained every day in this work. The police have to prove the alerts like in the Prout case not the dog.
 
"What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. The only times I've ever known him bark since I've got him as a small puppy a) for his dinner and that's just excitement and that's one of the training methods we use to teach to bark when we want him to and when he actually finds something, he won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or something like that, so again I would say that's a positive indication." MG
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline barrier

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #526 on: January 21, 2017, 01:59:11 PM »
Tell me how the alerts can play any art in that
They totally cannot
Tell me what evidence might be found that would make the alerts useful
There is none
Even if a body was found that would not indicate death in the apartment
Depends surely where a body were to be found,if in Portugal then it lead to further question,but if the latest crap news from the papers regarding a snatch squad and Belgium is anything to go by then the likelihood of OG or even the PJ finding one is zero.
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Offline Lace

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #527 on: January 21, 2017, 02:23:08 PM »
Best ask the judge,they came under the heading of proved facts. Nos 6 and 7.

It was a proved fact that it was in Amaral's book,  NOT a fact that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in 5a.

Offline Lace

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #528 on: January 21, 2017, 02:27:32 PM »
Did Keela and Eddie alert to the same key fob?  There is no reason why the same key fob can't have blood on it and cadaver odour on it too.


The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.


NOTE - They find,  however,  and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #529 on: January 21, 2017, 02:51:15 PM »
Gerry has never revealed how he bled on the car key as alerted by those pesky unreliable dogs  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline barrier

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #530 on: January 21, 2017, 03:08:36 PM »

It was a proved fact that it was in Amaral's book,  NOT a fact that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent in 5a.

Where does it say that?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #531 on: January 21, 2017, 03:13:14 PM »

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.


NOTE - They find,  however,  and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.
was there a cite in there somewhere?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #532 on: January 21, 2017, 03:44:06 PM »
Tell me how the alerts can play any art in that
They totally cannot
Tell me what evidence might be found that would make the alerts useful
There is none
Even if a body was found that would not indicate death in the apartment

If a body were found in Luz then the alerts take on a whole new significance, don't you understand this basic concept?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #533 on: January 21, 2017, 03:48:49 PM »

The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.


NOTE - They find,  however,  and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

Your "no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'" comment is inaccurate as any dog can be trained to detect any scent and that includes fresh human blood.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #534 on: January 21, 2017, 04:04:48 PM »
If a body were found in Luz then the alerts take on a whole new significance, don't you understand this basic concept?

You don't understand
If a body is found in Luz it does not mean Maddie died in the apartment

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Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #535 on: January 21, 2017, 07:51:34 PM »
Gerry has never revealed how he bled on the car key as alerted by those pesky unreliable dogs  @)(++(*

Never revealed?

Even if he knows (and he probably doesn't) why should he?

A slight graze on a finger and blood transfers to the ignition key.

No great mystery.

Offline jassi

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #536 on: January 21, 2017, 07:55:42 PM »
If nobody knows, then it is a mystery and any explanation is mere supposition  ?{)(**
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #537 on: January 21, 2017, 08:28:43 PM »
you have questioned the alert to cuddle cat so you admit the alerts are questionable

I don't believe in coincidences.  Some alerts are questionable but the number of alerts is in itself extremely suspicious.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #538 on: January 21, 2017, 08:31:10 PM »
Tell me how the alerts can play any art in that
They totally cannot
Tell me what evidence might be found that would make the alerts useful
There is none
Even if a body was found that would not indicate death in the apartment

Why do you think Mr Grime cannot answer questions on this forum? 
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Have the dog alerts any significance?
« Reply #539 on: January 21, 2017, 08:34:56 PM »
You don't understand
If a body is found in Luz it does not mean Maddie died in the apartment

It doesn't mean she did but reveals the possibility that she might have.  I refer you to the posts on cadaverine transfer.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!