Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Mr Gray]

Det Insp Harrison said the dogs are presented with a scent which they then try to follow.

He said: "Many people think in the 21st century machines are the answer, not something hairy and smelly like a dog, but our tests show us that there is no machine that can come anywhere close to what these dogs can do.

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Mark Harrison is absolutely right
and hes also right when he says
no inferences can be drawn from the alerts

[Angelo222]

Mark Harrison is absolutely right
and hes also right when he says
no inferences can be drawn from the alerts

Is he a dog expert?
Was he Eddie and Keela's handler?

If the answer to both questions is NO then he is not best placed to make that call.

[Eleanor]

Is he a dog expert?
Was he Eddie and Keela's handler?

If the answer to both questions is NO then he is not best placed to make that call.

Martin Grime should not have been handling two dogs at the same Crime Scene.

[slartibartfast]

Martin Grime should not have been handling two dogs at the same Crime Scene.

Why? Please provide references.

[Eleanor]

Why? Please provide references.

I don't have to.  Common sense should tell you that.  It is a conflict of interest.

[Angelo222]

Martin Grime should not have been handling two dogs at the same Crime Scene.

First off, nobody knows if it was a crime scene and secondly a dog handler can use any number of dogs as long as they are not used at the same time.

[Angelo222]

Nobody knows what happened to Maddie, crime or accident or both.

[Alfie]

First off, nobody knows if it was a crime scene and secondly a dog handler can use any number of dogs as long as they are not used at the same time.

Excuse me.  Why would cadaver dogs have been taken into the apartment if there was some doubt about it being the scene of a crime?

[slartibartfast]

I don't have to.  Common sense should tell you that.  It is a conflict of interest.

Why?

[pathfinder73]

Contact Ralph Riegel and prove it. rriegel@independent.ie

Top dog team used to help gardai sniff out clues - Ralph Riegel PUBLISHED 19/10/2006 | 00:11

THE vicious killer of mother-of-one Margaret 'Meg' Walsh is now being hunted by an elite British police dog team who were successfully used in the Soham murder inquiry.

The dogs were brought to Waterford to help gardai with their probe into the murder of Meg Walsh (35) on October 1. The animals recently helped the FBI track down a multiple murderer in Nashville, Tennessee.

The four dogs include the spaniel, Keela, the only known animal in the world capable of detecting and following a human blood-scent.

British police inspector Mark Harrison, of the National Centre for Police Excellence (NCPE), said the hounds had been used in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells (10) and Jessica Chapman (10) in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in August 2002.
The dogs ultimately helped bring 29-year-old school caretaker Ian Huntley to justice.

"The dogs that we have here include two from South Yorkshire Police and one of those is the only one in the world trained to detect human blood," said Insp Harrison. "The other is a victim recovery dog and helps us find human remains."

"The other two dogs are specially trained to follow a specific scent, an individual scent," he added.

Mr Harrison said that the dog unit was deployed in Waterford after gardai there had asked for "special assistance" in relation to the case of Margaret Walsh.

The British dog teams were yesterday working on multiple sites around Waterford, including Ms Walsh's Ballinakill home. "These dogs assist us in what we call investigative intelligence - they help us to piece together the jigsaw of the sequence of events that may have happened in this case," said Inspector Harrison..

"In addition to that they look for hard and physical evidence. By way of example, the human blood dog can detect blood that is not visible to the human eye."

Insp Harrison added that the team were pleased with their work to date in Waterford. "We have detected quite a few things of interest of intelligence and we will continue to do that," he said. "The picture at the moment is quite incomplete and we will be working with the Garda detectives in hopefully completing the sequence of events."

The skilled team have also helped deliver crucial breakthroughs in previous cases such as the horrific murder of Attracta Harron in Northern Ireland.

It is expected the British dog team will conclude their work on the Meg Walsh case today but they will be available for longer.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/top-dog-team-used-to-help-gardai-sniff-out-clues-26360760.html

[ferryman]

First off nobody knows if it was a crime scene and secondly a dog handler can use any number of dogs as long as they are not used at the same time.

Not true.

One dog-handler may handle only one dog at the same crime-scene.

[slartibartfast]

Not true.

One dog-handler may handle only one dog at the same crime-scene.

Cite?

[ferryman]

Cite?

The evidence of one's own eyes.

The second enquiry, two dogs deployed AND two handlers.

The photograph of 4 dogs from South Wales, WITH 4 handlers.

An FOI answer by South Yorkshire Police about Grime that confirms that, during his SYP career, he would either be deployed alone with Eddie, or with another dog, Frankie, AND another handler, Ellis.

Confirmation by Misty that Keela's handler was Ellis.

[ferryman]

Actually, a cite is demanded and I can (now) provide one.

The Hamburg carpet-square experiment is (unwisely) trumpeted by aficionados of Grime and his work, even though it is scarcely helpful to Mr Grime since that was an experiment driven by the principle of cross-contamination, ignored by Grime at PdL (I digress).

From that report comes this:

The reliability and accuracy of the dog’s signals may be
enhanced if at least two or more trained cadaver dog/handler
teams are used independently and at one crime scene. The
teams are then able to compare their dog’s signaling behavior.
This process would lend additional support during the
presentation of the findings of cadaver dogs in a court of law

In that experiment, a number of dogs were used, each dog having its own handler.

http://www.pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Oesterhelweg%201998.pdf

[Mr Gray]

Actually, a cite is demanded and I can (now) provide one.

The Hamburg carpet-square experiment is (unwisely) trumpeted by aficionados of Grime and his work, even though it is scarcely helpful to Mr Grime since that was an experiment driven by the principle of cross-contamination, ignored by Grime at PdL (I digress).

From that report comes this:

In that experiment, a number of dogs were each dog having its own handler.

http://www.pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Oesterhelweg%201998.pdf

they are suggesting 2 or more teams....why would tehy be suggesting that if these dogs are so reliable