A question of common sense?

[Erngath]

Erngath?  Are you there?  SIL's offering to do the photos if you start the thread.

I'll Approve it.  That's me done.

Nope...............I have nothing of any importance to say about one buggy/ two buggies.

[Eleanor]

Nope...............I have nothing of any importance to say about one buggy/ two buggies.

Spoilsport.

Anyone else?

Nope?  Thought not.

[Robittybob1]

Spoilsport.

Anyone else?

Nope?  Thought not.

I read somewhere they only hired the buggy for one day

[John]

It was too much hassle to have to walk the 520 metres to the Millenium Restaurant each day with three toddlers in tow and who could blame them.  Much easier to tuck the three up in bed and nip across to the in-house tapas bar/restaurant facility 50 metres away.

[Innominate]

"Madeleine was here" has a sequence showing entry and a description of the 9:05 check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

At about 8:25 into the clip there is an entry via the front door (although this is slightly misleading as the second statement claims entry by the sliding door), and later shows the check of the bedroom.

Inside the apartment appears very dark, even in the daytime, although this could be an artifact of the camera contrast.

The check of the bedroom is shown, with what appears to be additional lighting (presumably for the camera).

GMcC turns the light on.

This is what I find odd - I'm sure he would not have turned the light on and risk disturbing the children.

Later in the documentary, he claims entry via the sliding door was to avoid disturbing the children via a front door entry.

If the light was not on I'm not sure he could have seen what he claims to have seen.

[Miss Taken Identity]

"Madeleine was here" has a sequence showing entry and a description of the 9:05 check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

At about 8:25 into the clip there is an entry via the front door (although this is slightly misleading as the second statement claims entry by the sliding door), and later shows the check of the bedroom.

Inside the apartment appears very dark, even in the daytime, although this could be an artifact of the camera contrast.

The check of the bedroom is shown, with what appears to be additional lighting (presumably for the camera).

GMcC turns the light on.

This is what I find odd - I'm sure he would not have turned the light on and risk disturbing the children.

Later in the documentary, he claims entry via the sliding door was to avoid disturbing the children via a front door entry.

If the light was not on I'm not sure he could have seen what he claims to have seen.

"If the light was not on I'm not sure he could have seen what he claims to have seen."


Indeed! You just won a coconut! welcome to my mind set.

[G-Unit]

The group wanted a Mark Warner listening service and were upset when they realised there was none in PdL. They decided to do it themselves. Listening at the ground floor flats was easy, the windows were all near each other along the passageway. Listening to the Payne's demanded more effort as they were upstairs. Fortunately they had an efficient baby monitor. They were happy with that and felt no need to go and physically look at their children.

Why did the downstairs families feel the need to physically check their children, I wonder? A listening service wouldn't have done that. In fact they didn't do it every time, sometimes they did just listen at the windows. Both Kate and Gerry say they wouldn't have looked at their children if the bedroom door had been ajar.

So MM wouldn't have been seen at 9 pm and the disappearance wouldn't have been discovered until later except for the moving bedroom door.

[sadie]

"Madeleine was here" has a sequence showing entry and a description of the 9:05 check.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U

At about 8:25 into the clip there is an entry via the front door (although this is slightly misleading as the second statement claims entry by the sliding door), and later shows the check of the bedroom.

Inside the apartment appears very dark, even in the daytime, although this could be an artifact of the camera contrast.

The check of the bedroom is shown, with what appears to be additional lighting (presumably for the camera).

GMcC turns the light on.

This is what I find odd - I'm sure he would not have turned the light on and risk disturbing the children.

Later in the documentary, he claims entry via the sliding door was to avoid disturbing the children via a front door entry.

If the light was not on I'm not sure he could have seen what he claims to have seen.

"If the light was not on I'm not sure he could have seen what he claims to have seen."


Indeed! You just won a coconut! welcome to my mind set.

Has either of you paused for a moment and thought  about the time and light conditions when The Mccanns left for the restauarant in their Tapas garden.  It was daylight.

Have you paused and thought for a minute about the time that Gerry checked the apartment?  it was dusk.

It was dusk.  Naturally he would turn the light on and somewhere (in Matts statement?) we are told that a table lamp was lit in the sitting room.   However when he first went in Gerry would probably have switched on the main light because (now I dont know this, but it is usual) the first switch as one goes in is usually the main one in the room you go into.

You are assuming that he turned the light on in the bedroom, but I think not for the reasons you have given, waking the children.   I think he just switched on the light in the sitting room

[Robittybob1]

Has either of you paused for a moment and thought  about the time and light conditions when The Mccanns left for the restauarant in their Tapas garden.  It was daylight.

Have you paused and thought for a minute about the time that Gerry checked the apartment?  it was dusk.

It was dusk.  Naturally he would turn the light on and somewhere (in Matts statement?) we are told that a table lamp was lit in the sitting room.   However when he first went in Gerry would probably have switched on the main light because (now I dont know this, but it is usual) the first switch as one goes in is usually the main one in the room you go into.

You are assuming that he turned the light on in the bedroom, but I think not for the reasons you have given, waking the children.

I think Gerry did turn on the light at his 9:05 check for the reason seems greater than normal.  Upon seeing her well he has a proud father moment, he's had 4 years to have that so what brought it on just then?

[pathfinder73]

Gerry didn't say he turned on the bedroom light. He said he could see Madeleine and only one light was on in the apartment as corroborated by Matt Oldfield.

[Robittybob1]

Gerry didn't say he turned on the bedroom light. He said he could see Madeleine and only one light was on in the apartment as corroborated by Matt Oldfield.

But in the reconstruction in the Emma Loach documentary it was obviously too dark and he turned the light on and switched it off as he closed the door demonstrating how he did it on the night.

[G-Unit]

But in the reconstruction in the Emma Loach documentary it was obviously too dark and he turned the light on and switched it off as he closed the door demonstrating how he did it on the night.

That was not a reconstruction, it was a series of disjointed incidents. The conditions inside the apartment on 3rd May
were not replicated. The Tannerman sighting wasn't done at the same time as it happened; it was far too dark imo.

My common sense tells me that no parent turns a light on when checking their children. Not if they want to finish their meal, that is. 

[Robittybob1]

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My common sense tells me that no parent turns a light on when checking their children. Not if they want to finish their meal, that is.

That's what I was thinking too until I asked my friend who had 3 kids of her own, if she checked her kids before she went of to sleep, and  she said she would turn on the light to see that they were OK every night.  Well I had three kids and I can't say I ever did that.

[G-Unit]

That's what I was thinking too until I asked my friend who had 3 kids of her own, if she checked her kids before she went of to sleep, and  she said she would turn on the light to see that they were OK every night.  Well I had three kids and I can't say I ever did that.

Kate had no intention of turning on the light in case it woke the children. Gerry said opening the front door might have disturbed them. I think they were parents who were very wary of anything which might waken their children.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The group wanted a Mark Warner listening service and were upset when they realised there was none in PdL. They decided to do it themselves. Listening at the ground floor flats was easy, the windows were all near each other along the passageway. Listening to the Payne's demanded more effort as they were upstairs. Fortunately they had an efficient baby monitor. They were happy with that and felt no need to go and physically look at their children.

Why did the downstairs families feel the need to physically check their children, I wonder? A listening service wouldn't have done that. In fact they didn't do it every time, sometimes they did just listen at the windows. Both Kate and Gerry say they wouldn't have looked at their children if the bedroom door had been ajar.

So MM wouldn't have been seen at 9 pm and the disappearance wouldn't have been discovered until later except for the moving bedroom door.

The group did want a Mark Warner listening service as they had pre planned, in the UK, to leave the children alone every night while they dined...

And I agree G.  We really don't know the correct time Maddie disappeared as no one physicaly checked those children since parents leaving for dinner and drinks.
How fotuitous that Gerry caims he saw maddie at that time, left a small window VERY SMALL window for a burglar to rush in through a window and back out without being seen.  IF the moving door had not occured,(and we only have the parents say so on this) who knows what story would have been sold to us.

My personal belief is the time line was created to factor in:none of them knew when Maddie could have gone missing.