Author Topic: Should Scotland Yard be compelled to make public the result of Operation Grange?  (Read 13603 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Were we playing by British rules I doubt very much if as much time would have been allowed to pass without the police saying something publicly.

We are playing to the Portuguese rule book.  Anyone remember Judicial Secrecy Laws?  Anyone recall the song and dance there was back in 2013 when the status of the newly opened investigation was put at risk and the McCanns issued a desperate plea to the media for restraint?

Even the unprecedented? statements from the Portuguese and British chiefs marking Madeleine's decade missing appeared to me to have been jointly discussed and agreed.

To all intents and purposes Scotland Yard are bit players here.  It is a British child who is missing but her case is within Portuguese jurisdiction and they rightly dictate the terms.

I'm sure the Portuguese would have no problem if OG decided to release the evidence ruling out the parents and their friends. According to Rowley that evidence can be found in the original investigation files which aren't subject to Judicial secrecy.
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Offline Brietta

I'm sure the Portuguese would have no problem if OG decided to release the evidence ruling out the parents and their friends. According to Rowley that evidence can be found in the original investigation files which aren't subject to Judicial secrecy.

Madeleine McCann: Police confirm Portugal 'activity' BBC News

6 May 2014 Last updated at 20:02

No media updates

A letter was sent to media editors amid speculation about excavation work. Mr Rowley asked them to "think carefully" about information they published.
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Mr Rowley said he had discussed the case with his opposite number in Portugal and highlighted the "high levels of interest" the activity would generate in the British media.

He said Portuguese police did not provide the media with updates on ongoing investigations.

Activity would cease if police in Britain gave out information or news reporters caused any disruption to their work in Portugal, he added.
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Analysis

Richard Bilton
BBC News


Mr Rowley urged the media to avoid speculation; to think of the impact it might have on the investigation.

That is because the Portuguese police and not the British will carry out any work in Praia da Luz. British officers will simply be observers. Without the co-operation of the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria, the British efforts will not get far.

The relationship between the forces has been difficult at times. Officers in both countries have told me of their frustrations. Both have active and separate investigations. Leaks and speculation could fatally undermine their co-operation.

It seems an upsurge in police activity is about to start. If it is to be successful, this sometimes uneasy relationship will need to survive.
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id485.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

There may be those who would reject OG's evidence, but there are others who would evaluate it and, if it stood up under scrutiny, accept it. If OG are confident that they have enough they have nothing to lose by presenting it for scrutiny. They would perhaps gain by strengthening their public support and that of the McCanns. It's a no-brainer really - if, of course, they have the evidence needed.
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Offline Mr Gray

There may be those who would reject OG's evidence, but there are others who would evaluate it and, if it stood up under scrutiny, accept it. If OG are confident that they have enough they have nothing to lose by presenting it for scrutiny. They would perhaps gain by strengthening their public support and that of the McCanns. It's a no-brainer really - if, of course, they have the evidence needed.

As you and others haven't understood the evidence that has already been released..imo
What's the use in giving you any more
Redwood said they believed Maddie was abducted by a stranger ...this has been confirmed recently but you wouldn't accept it
Harrison said no inferences can be drawn from the dog alerts
Posters won't accept that
SY have stayed clearly the McCann's are not suspects
You and others have tried every way you can to discredit that statement
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Offline Mr Gray

Why should this request only apply to the McCann's case
Could we see all the evidence that has justified the persecution of Julian Asssange
Has Been Needham's kin all been ruled out
Could we see the evidence
There are many morei
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Offline G-Unit

How very strange that not one McCann supporter so far is in favour of Operation Grange sharing the evidence which led them to rule the McCanns and their friends out of their investigation.

It seems they prefer to let the McCanns remain under suspicion ad infinitum.

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Offline Eleanor

How very strange that not one McCann supporter so far is in favour of Operation Grange sharing the evidence which led them to rule the McCanns and their friends out of their investigation.

It seems they prefer to let the McCanns remain under suspicion ad infinitum.

No it doesn't seem.  We simply have more sense than to expect it.

Offline Mr Gray

How very strange that not one McCann supporter so far is in favour of Operation Grange sharing the evidence which led them to rule the McCanns and their friends out of their investigation.

It seems they prefer to let the McCanns remain under suspicion ad infinitum.

the mccanns are not under suspicion...they are not suspects

Offline G-Unit

the mccanns are not under suspicion...they are not suspects

Operation Grange said that did they? So did the PJ but it wasn't true, was it?

If Operation Grange have the evidence to support that statement they should release it because the McCann's prophecy back in 2007 has been fulfilled;

The parents of Madeleine McCann fear they'll never be cleared over the disappearance of their daughter and will always be tainted by a 'cloud of suspicion'.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-kate-and-gerry-fear-cloud-of-suspicion-will-never-leave-them-6661142.html
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Should Scotland Yard be compelled to make public the result of Operation Grange?

Ten years on and over £11 million of public money spent on Operation Grange and still nothing of consequence has been announced.  Is it time that Scotland Yard was compelled to divulge what exactly they have learned about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and put the speculation to bed for ever?

Your views please.

What is to be gained by The Met. making a public announcement?
As far as I can see The Met. are held harmless. IIRC the involvement of The Met was opposed by it's then commissioner and the then incumbent Home Secretary, only to be overruled by the Prime Minister's Office with the promise that the first tranche of funding would come from The PM's Office. If anyone should make an announcement or call time it's the PM's Office, after all it started the hare running for what appeared at the time to be spurious reasons and clearly remains content for resources to be expended on the case. Were I The Met. I would be chuffed to little meatballs that I was able to keep a few bodies employed on someone elses budget.
Maybe access to the files should be denied for 20 years after closure?


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Offline G-Unit

What is to be gained by The Met. making a public announcement?
As far as I can see The Met. are held harmless. IIRC the involvement of The Met was opposed by it's then commissioner and the then incumbent Home Secretary, only to be overruled by the Prime Minister's Office with the promise that the first tranche of funding would come from The PM's Office. If anyone should make an announcement or call time it's the PM's Office, after all it started the hare running for what appeared at the time to be spurious reasons and clearly remains content for resources to be expended on the case. Were I The Met. I would be chuffed to little meatballs that I was able to keep a few bodies employed on someone elses budget.
Maybe access to the files should be denied for 20 years after closure?

I expect the Met were happy to take the money but it may rebound on them. If they accepted a politically imposed  remit they are culpable. The whole thing stinks in my opinion and should be subjected to thorough scrutiny.
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Offline Mr Gray

I expect the Met were happy to take the money but it may rebound on them. If they accepted a politically imposed  remit they are culpable. The whole thing stinks in my opinion and should be subjected to thorough scrutiny.

I think you are totally misguided
I think the investigation was carried out with the best intentions
To find out what happened to Maddie

Offline G-Unit

I think you are totally misguided
I think the investigation was carried out with the best intentions
To find out what happened to Maddie

I think the same about you!  8((()*/

The road to h*ll is paved with good intentions.

OG should release their evidence ruling out the McCanns and their friends. That would help the McCanns, help OG by showing that their investigation is viable and restore both their reputations.
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Offline Benice

I think the same about you!  8((()*/

The road to h*ll is paved with good intentions.

OG should release their evidence ruling out the McCanns and their friends. That would help the McCanns, help OG by showing that their investigation is viable and restore both their reputations.

Perhaps SY considered the following to be some of the  'evidence' that enabled them to rule out the McCanns and their friends as suspects or even persons of interest.

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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

I expect the Met were happy to take the money but it may rebound on them. If they accepted a politically imposed  remit they are culpable. The whole thing stinks in my opinion and should be subjected to thorough scrutiny.

Culpable of what?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal