General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[Robittybob1]

I don't know where those quotes come from. What was actually reported in the files was;

she said that she can not explain anything more than that already mentioned.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm

That seems to be Kate saying she has mentioned and explained everything she knew and has nothing to add.

There was an alleged interview with Encarnacao and Neves but it was not recorded so neither I nor the PJ would know what was said that day. If incriminating questions were asked with no lawyer or interpreter present that was a clear breach of the process and the McCanns should have immediately launched an official complaint.

Sure that would be a piece of cake!

[John]

43 In the case files, you were shown canine forensic testing films. After watching them, did you say you couldn't explain any more than you already had?

44 When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45 When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46 When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47 When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, carried out in a British lab, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html

Kate McCann already had answered all these questions.
At the time of the above re-interrogation when she had been constituted arguida ... she exercised her legal right to remain silent.
Gerry McCann did not exercise his legal right and did answer questions put to him.

I totally agree Brie that everyone has a legal right to remain silent and that right is enshrined in Law but by the same token an investigator has the right to interpret such conduct in any way they choose depending on the circumstances.

Gerry McCann felt able to answer all the questions put to him yet his wife took the legal option and refused to answer. Given that the police were perfectly within their rights to question them as suspects and parents of a missing child does it not appear strange if not borderline sinister that a mother should display such arrogance?

My own view is that Kate should have played along with the police and answered everything fully and in great detail and in the end they would have got the message.  Kindness always achieves so much more than intransigence.

[ferryman]

I totally agree Brie that everyone has a legal right to remain silent and that right is enshrined in Law but by the same token an investigator has the right to interpret such conduct in any way they choose depending on the circumstances.

Gerry McCann felt able to answer all the questions put to him yet his wife took the legal option and refused to answer. Given that the police were perfectly within their rights to question them as suspects and parents of a missing child does it not appear strange if not borderline sinister that a mother should display such arrogance?

My own view is that Kate should have played along with the police and answered everything fully and in great detail and in the end they would have got the message.  Kindness always achieved so much more than intransigence.

Would you say that the police were within their legal rights to lie (as, unquestionably, they did in so many of the questions they asked, and particularly, the 'information' they presented)?

[Alfie]

I totally agree Brie that everyone has a legal right to remain silent and that right is enshrined in Law but by the same token an investigator has the right to interpret such conduct in any way they choose depending on the circumstances.

Gerry McCann felt able to answer all the questions put to him yet his wife took the legal option and refused to answer. Given that the police were perfectly within their rights to question them as suspects and parents of a missing child does it not appear strange if not borderline sinister that a mother should display such arrogance?

My own view is that Kate should have played along with the police and answered everything fully and in great detail and in the end they would have got the message.  Kindness always achieves so much more than intransigence.

Odd that you would view answering potentially incriminating questions put by the police as an act of kindness.  Some might class it as an act of naivety or foolishness, but kindness....?!  Hardly.

[G-Unit]

It's good to see you admit that those may have been incriminating questions and that there may have been a breach of process, which explains why Kate McCann refused to answer their questions as an arguido.

If Encarnacao and Neves acted unlawfully the question remains why the McCanns never complained. Kate was made arguido because her answers might have incriminated her, not the questions.

I find the questions about the children most interesting. Why did the PJ suspect that she didn't cope well?

Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm

No-one, to my knowledge, has said Kate struggled with her children. The only reports on that subject came in September 2007;

Portuguese newspapers said she wrote in her diary about her difficulties with her children

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20070914/281573761316053

Either they were making things up or we didn't see everything the diary/diaries contained.

[John]

Odd that you would view answering potentially incriminating questions put by the police as an act of kindness.  Some might class it as an act of naivety or foolishness, but kindness....?!  Hardly.

Honesty is the best policy Alfie.

[Alfie]

If Encarnacao and Neves acted unlawfully the question remains why the McCanns never complained. Kate was made arguido because her answers might have incriminated her, not the questions.

I find the questions about the children most interesting. Why did the PJ suspect that she didn't cope well?

Asked whether or not it is true that the twins have difficulty sleeping, that they are restless and that that causes her uneasiness, she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that at certain times she felt desperate [driven to despair; angered; exasperated] by the attitude of the children and that that left her much disquiet [unease], she did not respond.

--- Asked whether or not it is true that in England she was thinking to deliver MADELEINE into the custody [guardianship] of a family member, she did not respond.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_07-09-07.htm

No-one, to my knowledge, has said Kate struggled with her children. The only reports on that subject came in September 2007;

Portuguese newspapers said she wrote in her diary about her difficulties with her children

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20070914/281573761316053

Either they were making things up or we didn't see everything the diary/diaries contained.

Mischevious post.  They were fishing nothing more.  Do you really think Kate would have written about her inability to cope with Madeleine / her other children in a diary written after the child's disappearance, if this inability to cope had played any part whatsoever in the child's disappearance?

[John]

That's what police detectives do for a living Alfie, they fish for ANSWERS.

[Alfie]

That's what police detectives do for a living Alfie, they fish for ANSWERS.

Why play their game then if it can only end up looking bad for you?  Suppose Kate really struggled with the kids, suppose they were bad sleepers, suppose she had often been at her wit's end - suppose she admitted all this to the police?  She has handed them motive on a plate, even if this lack of ability to cope had nothing whatsoever to do with MAdeleine's disappearance.

[barrier]

Police 'identify new female suspect' in Madeleine McCann case in 'hugely significant' development.

Sources say lead could 'hold the key to solving the entire case'



By Ben Kentish
1 May 2017

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have identified a female suspect who they believe could be the key to solving the case, reports suggest.

Investigators are said to have searched all over Europe for the woman, who was seen close to the apartment in Praia de Luz, Portugal from which Madeleine was taken. Sources say officers will soon be in a position to question the suspect.

“Detectives have scoured Europe looking for this woman who is thought to hold the key to solving the entire case,” a source told the Sunday Express.

“After months of tireless police work they will soon be in a position to move in and finally get some answers after a decade of dead ends. It is a hugely significant line of inquiry that officers hope could lead to an arrest.”

It was revealed earlier in the year that Metropolitan Police officers working on the case, codenamed Operation Grange, had identified a new person who they wanted to question and had been given an extra £85,000 by the Home Office to pursue the lead. The investigation, which to date has cost £11m, had been due to be closed but will now continue until at least September.

Madeleine, then three years old, disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May 2007. Her mother, Kate, discovered her missing when she went to check on her during a meal with friends and found the window open and her oldest daughter gone.

The disappearance sparked one of the biggest missing person investigations of all time, with teams in both the UK and Portugal assessing hundreds of potential lines of inquiry and persons of interest.

The latest development comes as Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, vowed to do “whatever it takes for as long as it takes” to find out what happened to their daughter.

During an interview with BBC presenter Fiona Bruce to coincide with the ten-year anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, Ms McCann said:‘‘We’ve come a long way and there is progress and there are some very credible lines of inquiry that the police are working on.

“Whilst there’s no evidence to give us any negative news, hope is still there.”

Mr McCann added: ‘‘They’ve managed to pull so much together and sift through so much information, so now we do seem to be on just several lines of inquiry rather than tens/hundreds.”

"We just have to go with the process and follow it through - whatever it takes for as long as it takes. There is still hope that we can find Madeleine."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-identify-new-female-suspect-madeleine-mccann-case-disappearance-portugal-metropolitan-police-a7711226.html

OG leaking like a sieve then with only four officers involved can't be hard for them to know who.

[G-Unit]

Mischevious post.  They were fishing nothing more.  Do you really think Kate would have written about her inability to cope with Madeleine / her other children in a diary written after the child's disappearance, if this inability to cope had played any part whatsoever in the child's disappearance?

I would be grateful if you would keep your thoughts about the nature of my posts to yourself. Your opinion carries no weight and adds nothing to any discussion.

One diary or two diaries?

Authorise the Public Ministry to validate the apprehension of the “two diaries” and a block note obtained during the search authorised by the dispatch contained in pages 2082 and 2083.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

The NoTW said;

The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

The case files said;

Inside the envelope is another sealed envelope containing 188 photocopies, 187 are handwritten and one typed. My examination of these photocopies indicates that this is a “diary”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

It seems that 53 pages were not obtained or printed by the NoTW.

[Alfie]

I would be grateful if you would keep your thoughts about the nature of my posts to yourself. Your opinion carries no weight and adds nothing to any discussion.

One diary or two diaries?

Authorise the Public Ministry to validate the apprehension of the “two diaries” and a block note obtained during the search authorised by the dispatch contained in pages 2082 and 2083.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

The NoTW said;

The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

The case files said;

Inside the envelope is another sealed envelope containing 188 photocopies, 187 are handwritten and one typed. My examination of these photocopies indicates that this is a “diary”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

It seems that 53 pages were not obtained or printed by the NoTW.

If I wish to express my opinion of your post I will, whether you like it or not.  Once again I ask:  Do you really think Kate would have written about her inability to cope with Madeleine / her other children in a diary written after the child's disappearance, if this inability to cope had played any part whatsoever in the child's disappearance?

[Alfie]

I would be grateful if you would keep your thoughts about the nature of my posts to yourself. Your opinion carries no weight and adds nothing to any discussion.

One diary or two diaries?

Authorise the Public Ministry to validate the apprehension of the “two diaries” and a block note obtained during the search authorised by the dispatch contained in pages 2082 and 2083.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

The NoTW said;

The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

The case files said;

Inside the envelope is another sealed envelope containing 188 photocopies, 187 are handwritten and one typed. My examination of these photocopies indicates that this is a “diary”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm

It seems that 53 pages were not obtained or printed by the NoTW.

Did Amaral have access to these 53 pages?

[Eleanor]

Did Amaral have access to these 53 pages?

I think you will find that it was mostly made up by The Media.

[G-Unit]

If I wish to express my opinion of your post I will, whether you like it or not.  Once again I ask:  Do you really think Kate would have written about her inability to cope with Madeleine / her other children in a diary written after the child's disappearance, if this inability to cope had played any part whatsoever in the child's disappearance?

You can say what you like and I will comment on it every time unless it adds to the debate.

You assume there was only one diary begun after M's disappearance. Perhaps there were two of them, one of which recorded her thoughts and feelings before the event.