General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[G-Unit]

I wasn't discussing the Portuguese courts nor was I discussing legal arguments I don't think I was even discussing sympathy and emotion.

I spoke of decency.
I also spoke of respect.
Which are words describing morality and due consideration as far as others are concerned.

You brought those notions into what was a discussion about Amaral's trial and the relevance of the presumption of innocence, brushing aside 'the legalities' as you did so.

I see nothing immoral about a man writing a book in defence of his and his team's efforts to solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

I accept that you support the McCanns but no-one knows what happened to Madeleine and until we do the only certainty is that due consideration wasn't given to her safety by those who should have put her needs before their own.

[Alfie]

You brought those notions into what was a discussion about Amaral's trial and the relevance of the presumption of innocence, brushing aside 'the legalities' as you did so.

I see nothing immoral about a man writing a book in defence of his and his team's efforts to solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

I accept that you support the McCanns but no-one knows what happened to Madeleine and until we do the only certainty is that due consideration wasn't given to her safety by those who should have put her needs before their own.

Amaral's book is not a defence of his team's efforts to solve Madeleine's disappaearance, it purports to solve that mystery giving us "the truth of the lie".  That's the immoral bit IMO.

[Brietta]

You brought those notions into what was a discussion about Amaral's trial and the relevance of the presumption of innocence, brushing aside 'the legalities' as you did so.

I see nothing immoral about a man writing a book in defence of his and his team's efforts to solve the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

I accept that you support the McCanns but no-one knows what happened to Madeleine and until we do the only certainty is that due consideration wasn't given to her safety by those who should have put her needs before their own.

You are yet again failing to differentiate between fact and what is your opinion.  But where is the fun in that?

[G-Unit]

Amaral's book is not a defence of his team's efforts to solve Madeleine's disappaearance, it purports to solve that mystery giving us "the truth of the lie".  That's the immoral bit IMO.

Morality is a matter of opinion. I prefer to rely on the law;

As was stated in the decision, from this Section, concerning the appended injunction, the 1st appellant [Gonçalo Amaral], wanted, through this book – because the institution to which he was bound did not allow him to reply to attacks against his pride and honour, as a professional of the criminal investigation police – to expose his vision of the facts, and therefore the publication of said book has to be considered a legitimate exercise of the right to an opinion.
Appeal Court decision
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7153.0

[Brietta]

Morality is a matter of opinion. I prefer to rely on the law;

As was stated in the decision, from this Section, concerning the appended injunction, the 1st appellant [Gonçalo Amaral], wanted, through this book – because the institution to which he was bound did not allow him to reply to attacks against his pride and honour, as a professional of the criminal investigation police – to expose his vision of the facts, and therefore the publication of said book has to be considered a legitimate exercise of the right to an opinion.
Appeal Court decision
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7153.0

One wonders if the ECHR will give the same weight to McCann "pride and honour" as the Portuguese appeal court gave to Amaral.

[Alfie]

Morality is a matter of opinion. I prefer to rely on the law;

As was stated in the decision, from this Section, concerning the appended injunction, the 1st appellant [Gonçalo Amaral], wanted, through this book – because the institution to which he was bound did not allow him to reply to attacks against his pride and honour, as a professional of the criminal investigation police – to expose his vision of the facts, and therefore the publication of said book has to be considered a legitimate exercise of the right to an opinion.
Appeal Court decision
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7153.0

pride?  Honour?  All very emotive, subjective terms.  It seems in Portugal everyone has the right to expressing an opinion even if it includes blatant misrepresentations of the truth which hurt others.  If you think that's fair and just then I'm afraid I don't share that opinion.

[Eleanor]

Morality is a matter of opinion. I prefer to rely on the law;

As was stated in the decision, from this Section, concerning the appended injunction, the 1st appellant [Gonçalo Amaral], wanted, through this book – because the institution to which he was bound did not allow him to reply to attacks against his pride and honour, as a professional of the criminal investigation police – to expose his vision of the facts, and therefore the publication of said book has to be considered a legitimate exercise of the right to an opinion.
Appeal Court decision
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7153.0

The Institution to which he was bound refused him permission to write a book.  Kudos to them.

[G-Unit]

One wonders if the ECHR will give the same weight to McCann "pride and honour" as the Portuguese appeal court gave to Amaral.

The McCann's 'pride and honour' were already damaged before Amaral wrote a word.

[Alfie]

The McCann's 'pride and honour' were already damaged before Amaral wrote a word.

By a media that was rightly punished for it.

[G-Unit]

By a media that was rightly punished for it.

They admitted to neglecting to ensure the safety of their children, which did them no favours imo.
They demonstrated what many saw as unseemly haste in setting up a website to sell memorabilia imo.
The official files  highlighted some peculiar behaviour imo.

[Alfie]

They admitted to neglecting to ensure the safety of their children, which did them no favours imo.
They demonstrated what many saw as unseemly haste in setting up a website to sell memorabilia imo.
The official files  highlighted some peculiar behaviour imo.

IYO is of little import in the grand scheme of things.  I don't think your opinion damaged the McCanns pride and honour as much as the media's evisceration of them, nor Amaral's Book Of Blatant Bollocks.

[G-Unit]

IYO is of little import in the grand scheme of things.  I don't think your opinion damaged the McCanns pride and honour as much as the media's evisceration of them, nor Amaral's Book Of Blatant Bollocks.

My opinion of how the McCann's pride and honour were damaged are as valid as yours, nonetheless. 

[Alfie]

My opinion of how the McCann's pride and honour were damaged are as valid as yours, nonetheless. 

If you think your opinion of the McCanns damaged them as much as Amaral's or countless newspaper headlines then I think you may be suffering from a degree of self-importance - just my opinion of course. 

[G-Unit]

If you think your opinion of the McCanns damaged them as much as Amaral's or countless newspaper headlines then I think you may be suffering from a degree of self-importance - just my opinion of course. 

I think the things I listed may have caused others to look askance at them, not just me.

[Alfie]

I think the things I listed may have caused others to look askance at them, not just me.

But not enough to damage their pride and honour, certainly not in the way Amaral and the media achieved.  You and people like you who "look askance" at the McCanns usually confine your activities to internet backwaters like this one, easily overlooked and ignorable by both the McCanns and the public generally.