General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[sadie]

Innocent parents of a missing child refusing to answer the most simplistic of police questions is unheard of, there was obviously something behind Kate's refusal to assist the police.  If she was truly innocent she had nothing to fear.

Well I think that Leonor Ciprianao and her brother, Joao, were very likely totally innocent

But somehow she copped it from Amaral and Cristavao.  It seems to that there was a good bit of embelishment here and a good bit of embellishment there.

No proof that leonor and her brother were having sex and Joana caught them at it,so they had to murder her.  Not a whisper of proof or intelligence even !

No proof that the blood on the wall nor in the fridge was Joanas.  It was not even tested to check that it was human blood !

No proof, nor intelligence that Joana was dead let alone that she was fed to the pigs ... and of course no identifiable remains.  Same as there would hvae been no identifiable remains had Madeleine beeen cremated with the English woman lying in her coffin in Luz church. 

Both those scenarios have the benefit of persuading people to forget looking for the missing girl ...and also with no remains, the benefit of not being provable that Amarals theory was incorrect.



In the circumstances Kate would have been crazy to answer those questions IMO

AIMHO

[Benice]

Innocent parents of a missing child refusing to answer the most simplistic of police questions is unheard of, there was obviously something behind Kate's refusal to assist the police. If she was truly innocent she had nothing to fear.

Are you being serious Angelo?  Why would any innocent person,  in the full knowledge that the police wanted to arrest them  for a crime which they didn't commit, actually want to assist them to do that very thing?    They would have to be crazy!!

As you obviously disagree with it  - why do you think her Portuguese lawyer (the expert) was wrong to give Kate the advice which he did?

[slartibartfast]

Are you being serious Angelo?  Why would any innocent person,  in the full knowledge that the police wanted to arrest them  for a crime which they didn't commit, actually want to assist them to do that very thing?    They would have to be crazy!!

As you obviously disagree with it  - why do you think her Portuguese lawyer (the expert) was wrong to give Kate the advice which he did?

The full knowledge? Please explain where this full knowledge came from?

[sadie]

The full knowledge? Please explain where this full knowledge came from?

Well I soon had a pretty good idea 'what was about', with all the slurs and disinformation that was flooding out.  I was aghast by it  .. and when I discovered about what happened in the Joana Cipriano case.   With warnings to the Mccanns from Leandro (brave man) about what happened to Leonor, I immediately feared for The Mccanns.   

Little doubt in my mind that the British Diplomats in Portugal took a special interest based upon what had happened in that case .... and in the Michael Cook case.  His torture was horrendous ... and of course, it was discussed in The House of Commons and recorded in Hansard.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1992/jun/09/mr-michael-cook
Do read this, it is an eye opener, altho it might not have involved Amaral.  That we dont know.

I think I was the first on the internet to find out above.



Based on the way Michael Cook and Leonor were treated by Portuguese so called "Justice", I too think that kate was very wise to not answer the questions.   Her solicitors advice seems well founded to me.

AIMO

[stephen25000]

I here hear that Katie Hopkins has been let go , namely sacked by LBC.

Apparently there were loud cheers in the LBC Newsroom.

[ShiningInLuz]

Well I soon had a pretty good idea 'what was about', with all the slurs and disinformation that was flooding out.  I was aghast by it  .. and when I discovered about what happened in the Joana Cipriano case.   With warnings to the Mccanns from Leandro (brave man) about what happened to Leonor, I immediately feared for The Mccanns.   

Little doubt in my mind that the British Diplomats in Portugal took a special interest based upon what had happened in that case .... and in the Michael Cook case.  His torture was horrendous ... and of course, it was discussed in The House of Commons and recorded in Hansard.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1992/jun/09/mr-michael-cook
Do read this, it is an eye opener, altho it might not have involved Amaral.  That we dont know.

I think I was the first on the internet to find out above.



Based on the way Michael Cook and Leonor were treated by Portuguese so called "Justice", I too think that kate was very wise to not answer the questions.   Her solicitors advice seems well founded to me.

AIMO

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd, does not appear to agree with you, based upon multiple visits to Mr Cook.

[misty]

The full knowledge? Please explain where this full knowledge came from?

The arguido status gave Kate's lawyer the right to know all the evidence the PJ had against his client.

[sadie]

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd, does not appear to agree with you, based upon multiple visits to Mr Cook.

Oh Yeh,

When the tyre marks from the Red car seen at the scene did not match Mike Cooks car ... and the so called witness rescinded his statement after the case had been fouind against Michael Cook?  Also when it was found that Michael Cooks red car did not have the necessary ground clearance to go to the place where Rachaels body was found.

Then the stepfather known for his bad temper, did have a high ground clearance Red car (4 wheel drive IIRC) ... and pine needles like the ones where Rachel was found were found in his car.   The locals suspected him.
The stepfather committed suicide exactly one year later.

Also the one policeman who had been earmarked to verify that he had witnessed Michael Cook admitting that he did it, refused to say that in court.  Brave man

And Michaels colleagues confirmed that he had been at work with them at the operative time.



Dont forget the most dreadful torture:

Hanging him upside down from a window and beating the soles of his feet
Smashing his teeth in
Putting a gun in his mouth and threatening him
Keeping him without toilet facilities so that he went into Court in a filthy and beaten up state

All because he wouldn't admit to something he didn't do.


And finally, let us not forget the two lawyers who  because of the inconsistencies and injustices of the case became interested several months later and delved deeply.   It is said that they had possession of documents which showed that then PJ had "arranged things" to fabricate a case against Michael Cook, and were going to proceed with them.

Let us not forget that they had an 'Accident" in the mountains with their car.  One was killed and one was seriously injured.  This was before they were able to proceed with the case in the Courts.
Needless to say, their evidence never came to Court. 

No-one else was prepared to take it up.  Unsurprisingly


SIL, do you really think this case was proceeeded with in a proper manner?   
Thank God, that Kate had diplomatic protection  and the World was watching.

[Brietta]

Oh Yeh,

When the tyre marks from the Red car seen at the scene did not match Mike Cooks car ... and the so called witness rescinded his statement after the case had been fouind against Michael Cook?  Also when it was found that Michael Cooks red car did not have the necessary ground clearance to go to the place where Rachaels body was found.

Then the stepfather known for his bad temper, did have a high ground clearance Red car (4 wheel drive IIRC) ... and pine needles like the ones where Rachel was found were found in his car.   The locals suspected him.
The stepfather committed suicide exactly one year later.

Also the one policeman who had been earmarked to verify that he had witnessed Michael Cook admitting that he did it, refused to say that in court.  Brave man

And Michaels colleagues confirmed that he had been at work with them at the operative time.



Dont forget the most dreadful torture:

Hanging him upside down from a window and beating the soles of his feet
Smashing his teeth in
Putting a gun in his mouth and threatening him
Keeping him without toilet facilities so that he went into Court in a filthy and beaten up state

All because he wouldn't admit to something he didn't do.


And finally, let us not forget the two lawyers who  because of the inconsistencies and injustices of the case became interested several months later and delved deeply.   It is said that they had possession of documents which showed that then PJ had "arranged things" to fabricate a case against Michael Cook, and were going to proceed with them.

Let us not forget that they had an 'Accident" in the mountains with their car.  One was killed and one was seriously injured.  This was before they were able to proceed with the case in the Courts.
Needless to say, their evidence never came to Court. 

No-one else was prepared to take it up.  Unsurprisingly


SIL, do you really think this case was proceeeded with in a proper manner?   
Thank God, that Kate had diplomatic protection  and the World was watching.

I have no doubt that Kate and Gerry's companions had researched the implication of participating in reconstructions of crimes organised by the Policia Judiciaria ... if they read in Hansard what had happened to Mr Cook I think it may have concentrated their minds wonderfully.

Quote
Hon. Members may be horrified to learn that, much earlier than that parade—indeed, the day after the body was found—Cook was shown to the gardener by the local police, and the gardener said that Cook was not the man whom he had seen on the fateful day in question.
He changed his story.
Clearly, the police case needed boosting, so the most incredible thing happened: a reconstruction of the crime was forced on Cook.

The police said that, in the reconstruction, Cook had shown them the exact positions in which they had found Rachel's school bag and shoes.
They said that those items had been thrown by Cook from a fast-moving car over many kilometres on a country road down which he can seldom have been before, some weeks after the alleged event.
Even the police blushed when they told that one in court.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1992/jun/09/mr-michael-cook

[slartibartfast]

I have no doubt that Kate and Gerry's companions had researched the implication of participating in reconstructions of crimes organised by the Policia Judiciaria ... if they read in Hansard what had happened to Mr Cook I think it may have concentrated their minds wonderfully.

Quote
Hon. Members may be horrified to learn that, much earlier than that parade—indeed, the day after the body was found—Cook was shown to the gardener by the local police, and the gardener said that Cook was not the man whom he had seen on the fateful day in question.
He changed his story.
Clearly, the police case needed boosting, so the most incredible thing happened: a reconstruction of the crime was forced on Cook.

The police said that, in the reconstruction, Cook had shown them the exact positions in which they had found Rachel's school bag and shoes.
They said that those items had been thrown by Cook from a fast-moving car over many kilometres on a country road down which he can seldom have been before, some weeks after the alleged event.
Even the police blushed when they told that one in court.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1992/jun/09/mr-michael-cook

You are aware that statements in parliament need less proof then elsewhere due to parliamentary privilege?

[ShiningInLuz]

Oh Yeh,

When the tyre marks from the Red car seen at the scene did not match Mike Cooks car ... and the so called witness rescinded his statement after the case had been fouind against Michael Cook?  Also when it was found that Michael Cooks red car did not have the necessary ground clearance to go to the place where Rachaels body was found.

Then the stepfather known for his bad temper, did have a high ground clearance Red car (4 wheel drive IIRC) ... and pine needles like the ones where Rachel was found were found in his car.   The locals suspected him.
The stepfather committed suicide exactly one year later.

Also the one policeman who had been earmarked to verify that he had witnessed Michael Cook admitting that he did it, refused to say that in court.  Brave man

And Michaels colleagues confirmed that he had been at work with them at the operative time.



Dont forget the most dreadful torture:

Hanging him upside down from a window and beating the soles of his feet
Smashing his teeth in
Putting a gun in his mouth and threatening him
Keeping him without toilet facilities so that he went into Court in a filthy and beaten up state

All because he wouldn't admit to something he didn't do.


And finally, let us not forget the two lawyers who  because of the inconsistencies and injustices of the case became interested several months later and delved deeply.   It is said that they had possession of documents which showed that then PJ had "arranged things" to fabricate a case against Michael Cook, and were going to proceed with them.

Let us not forget that they had an 'Accident" in the mountains with their car.  One was killed and one was seriously injured.  This was before they were able to proceed with the case in the Courts.
Needless to say, their evidence never came to Court. 

No-one else was prepared to take it up.  Unsurprisingly


SIL, do you really think this case was proceeeded with in a proper manner?   
Thank God, that Kate had diplomatic protection  and the World was watching.

To repeat "The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, Mr. Mark Lennox-Boyd, does not appear to agree with you, based upon multiple visits to Mr Cook."

His reply is in your link.

[G-Unit]

First the Auditors, now a director resigns from the Find Madeleine Fund;

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history

[John]

For Information:

Some of you will have noticed that a new moderator has been appointed to replace Shining in Luz who is taking a break from the task. Please afford the usual courtesies to this new moderator as he settles in to the job.

John
Senior Editor

[stephen25000]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3703222/one-year-old-baby-left-alone-in-her-buggy-next-to-a-bin-for-more-than-an-hour-while-her-parents-queued-to-get-on-a-rollercoaster-at-thorpe-park/

Electrician Daniel Bevis, 22, was with friends when he spotted the tot near the Colossus ride at Thorpe Park, Surrey.

He said: “We were so shocked that someone could leave a kid. What’s worse is that security said it happens a lot.

“It’s horrifying — like the parents had no regard for their child. Anyone could have taken her.

Baby abandoned at Thorpe park

The baby was left in her pram which was abandoned near a bin in the Surrey theme park

“We stood with her for ten to 15 minutes. No one turned up so we called security. They took her to first aid then the parents arrived. They’d been gone over an hour.

“We confronted them — a mum, dad and three other kids, who’d been on the ride — but they had nothing to say.”

Thorpe Park said staff were at the scene within two minutes on Monday.

The family, thought to be from West London, claimed their 11-year-old daughter was looking after the tot.

Surrey Police said: “The family’s home force has been notified for a follow-up.”

A social services source said the incident has been referred to the family’s local authority.

[stephen25000]

It is now being reported there is a major incident in London.

London Bridge closed along with Tube Station.


A cab driver is speaking on LBC.

He has seen several injured people and bodies,  along the bridge on both sides.


A man has been seen with a knife.

It is being described by police as a major incident.

Other witnesses coming forward.

Armed police are in attendance.