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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3045 on: July 12, 2017, 01:50:27 PM »
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/827604/Portuguese-police-force-Alfragide-station-charged-torture-six-black-men

The story has been picked up by the UK press.

I don't know that there's actually any hope for proper justice for anyone there  8(8-)). No-one can give Leonor back her lost time, with or without Joana, even if she is innocent.
 The "Super-Judge" Carlos Alexandre, who oversaw the most recent aborted trial of Cristovao, is being accused of all sorts. https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/magistrado-acusado-de-corrupcao-emprestou-10-mil-euros-ao-juiz-carlos-alexandre&prev=search
Cristovao continues to be at loggerheads with the Sporting Lisbon president Carvalho
http://www.record.pt/futebol/futebol-nacional/liga-nos/sporting/detalhe/paulo-pereira-cristovao-sobre-bruno-de-carvalho-e-um-deslumbrado-hipocrita.html

Everywhere you look, the same names with some sort of link to the McCann/Cipriano cases keep cropping up in relation to alleged criminal activity.

Yep.  Is this suspicious, do you think?  I am reluctant to express an opinion.

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3046 on: July 13, 2017, 10:24:48 PM »
Someone got his just desserts for bad behaviour on the internet;

Viscount jailed for offering money for killing of Gina Miller

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/13/viscount-jailed-for-offering-money-for-killing-of-gina-miller
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Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3047 on: July 13, 2017, 11:30:27 PM »
Someone got his just desserts for bad behaviour on the internet;

Viscount jailed for offering money for killing of Gina Miller

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/13/viscount-jailed-for-offering-money-for-killing-of-gina-miller

Soliciting to commit murder carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. IMO he got off really lightly & the court has sent out totally the wrong message.

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3048 on: July 14, 2017, 07:24:34 AM »
Soliciting to commit murder carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. IMO he got off really lightly & the court has sent out totally the wrong message.

On that we can agree.

It should have been for several years.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3050 on: July 14, 2017, 01:34:15 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/14/david-harris-the-bill-ex-producer-hazel-allinson

17 years. Spot the difference.

One of the men made his comments publicly so was unlikely to have been serious imo. The other seemed very serious as he actually tried to recruit specific people.
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Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3051 on: July 14, 2017, 02:14:59 PM »
One of the men made his comments publicly so was unlikely to have been serious imo. The other seemed very serious as he actually tried to recruit specific people.

So, rather like those who incite racial hatred on street corners or the internet, it's not serious unless they actually try to recruit people. OK......

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3052 on: July 14, 2017, 03:26:58 PM »
So, rather like those who incite racial hatred on street corners or the internet, it's not serious unless they actually try to recruit people. OK......

There are degrees of seriousness which the sentences reflected.
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Offline misty

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3053 on: July 14, 2017, 03:40:03 PM »
There are degrees of seriousness which the sentences reflected.

Which "soliciting with intent to murder" is worth 16.75 years imprisonment less than the other?

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3054 on: July 14, 2017, 07:30:43 PM »
Which "soliciting with intent to murder" is worth 16.75 years imprisonment less than the other?

Some can see the difference others can't.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3055 on: July 14, 2017, 09:54:37 PM »
One of the men made his comments publicly so was unlikely to have been serious imo. The other seemed very serious as he actually tried to recruit specific people.

Yes I would agree with that G.
 She used her money and position to try and change the legal democratic vote from the white indigenous population who wanted to leave the EU.

 She is the racist and  in my opinion.
she met her match and didn't like it.  I do believe if anything happened to her via a car crash he would be horrified and he wouldn't payout as he was just ranting on...as men do.

Just my opinion.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3056 on: July 14, 2017, 10:15:36 PM »
How cadaver dogs found a missing Pennsylvania man deep underground

The extensive search for four missing young men on a sprawling property in Pennsylvania has involved about 50 law enforcement investigators, including local and state police and the FBI.

But the big break in the case -- a 12-and-a-half-foot deep grave with the body of one of the missing men and other human remains -- came from team members of a different species.

"We had cadaver dogs," Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub said, shaking his head in amazement.

"I don't understand the science behind it, but those dogs could smell those poor boys 12-and-a-half feet below ground."

The science of cadaver dogs is a fascinating combination of biology and single-minded training, said Cat Warren, the author of "What the Dog Knows: Scent, Science, and the Amazing Ways Dogs Perceive the World."

"I'm a real believer in the purity of these dogs when they're properly trained," Warren said. "They do have good noses. They are able to distinguish that faint scent -- that human scent."

A dog's sense of smell

Dogs of all skill sets -- such as smelling for narcotics or for explosives -- are used in different roles as part of law enforcement teams. Cadaver dogs are trained to identify a scent specific to dead human bodies and then notify their trainers.

These dogs are often used in death investigations, such as in the Casey Anthony case, or during the search for survivors after the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in Ukraine.

Training goes a long way, but dogs are genetically better than other animals at sniffing out specific scents, said Dave Pappalardo, owner of K9 Unlimited, which trains dogs for law enforcement and civilians.

"The dog sees the world through its nose first, before its eyes," he said. "Just like we look at things first, they smell things first."

Imagine, Pappalardo said, a dog and a human walk into a house with soup cooking. The human smells soup, full stop. The dog, though, smells every ingredient in the pot individually and clearly.

"That's why they're so good at their job, they can discriminate odors individually," he said.

One of those distinct odors is human bodies, and the dogs are trained to recognize that specific smell and brush aside others.

"There is a lot of crossover with dead animals and dead humans, but humans have enough distinct things about them that cadaver dogs can tell the difference," Warren said.

The dogs hone those skills with training that uses real donated human body parts, including placenta, teeth, bones and human fat, she said. At some research facilities, including Western Carolina University, dogs are trained using actual entire human bodies, Warren said.

At a sprawling and busy investigation like the one in Bucks County, the ability of a dog to narrow down the search to one area can be hugely valuable.

"Dogs are smelling all sorts of other things when on a farm or construction site," Warren said, "but there's only one set of odors that the dog is going to get a reward for if it's a cadaver dog, and that's the scent of human remains."

On Tuesday, Weintraub, the district attorney, said that local and state police and the FBI were in an "all hands on deck" investigation to find the missing men.

All paws, too.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/13/us/missing-men-bucks-county-cadaver-dogs/index.html?sr=twCNN071317missing-men-bucks-county-cadaver-dogs0619PMStory

« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 10:30:31 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3057 on: July 14, 2017, 10:30:09 PM »
How cadaver dogs found a missing Pennsylvania man deep underground

The extensive search for four missing young men on a sprawling property in Pennsylvania has involved about 50 law enforcement investigators, including local and state police and the FBI.

But the big break in the case -- a 12-and-a-half-foot deep grave with the body of one of the missing men and other human remains -- came from team members of a different species.

"We had cadaver dogs," Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub said, shaking his head in amazement.

"I don't understand the science behind it, but those dogs could smell those poor boys 12-and-a-half feet below ground."

The science of cadaver dogs is a fascinating combination of biology and single-minded training, said Cat Warren, the author of "What the Dog Knows: Scent, Science, and the Amazing Ways Dogs Perceive the World."

"I'm a real believer in the purity of these dogs when they're properly trained," Warren said. "They do have good noses. They are able to distinguish that faint scent -- that human scent."

A dog's sense of smell

Dogs of all skill sets -- such as smelling for narcotics or for explosives -- are used in different roles as part of law enforcement teams. Cadaver dogs are trained to identify a scent specific to dead human bodies and then notify their trainers.

These dogs are often used in death investigations, such as in the Casey Anthony case, or during the search for survivors after the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in Ukraine.

Training goes a long way, but dogs are genetically better than other animals at sniffing out specific scents, said Dave Pappalardo, owner of K9 Unlimited, which trains dogs for law enforcement and civilians.

"The dog sees the world through its nose first, before its eyes," he said. "Just like we look at things first, they smell things first."

Imagine, Pappalardo said, a dog and a human walk into a house with soup cooking. The human smells soup, full stop. The dog, though, smells every ingredient in the pot individually and clearly.

"That's why they're so good at their job, they can discriminate odors individually," he said.

One of those distinct odors is human bodies, and the dogs are trained to recognize that specific smell and brush aside others.

"There is a lot of crossover with dead animals and dead humans, but humans have enough distinct things about them that cadaver dogs can tell the difference," Warren said.

The dogs hone those skills with training that uses real donated human body parts, including placenta, teeth, bones and human fat, she said. At some research facilities, including Western Carolina University, dogs are trained using actual entire human bodies, Warren said.

At a sprawling and busy investigation like the one in Bucks County, the ability of a dog to narrow down the search to one area can be hugely valuable.

"Dogs are smelling all sorts of other things when on a farm or construction site," Warren said, "but there's only one set of odors that the dog is going to get a reward for if it's a cadaver dog, and that's the scent of human remains."

On Tuesday, Weintraub, the district attorney, said that local and state police and the FBI were in an "all hands on deck" investigation to find the missing men.

All paws, too.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/13/us/missing-men-bucks-county-cadaver-dogs/index.html?sr=twCNN071317missing-men-bucks-county-cadaver-dogs0619PMStory

Indeed Dog can also sniff out illnesses like some cancers and blood viruses in humans- all tested scientifically.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline sadie

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3058 on: July 14, 2017, 10:34:35 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/14/david-harris-the-bill-ex-producer-hazel-allinson

17 years. Spot the difference.
There is a vast social gap between a retired TV Producer and the old money and connections of an aristocrat, a  Viscount.

I think the brevitty of Viscount Phillipps sentence was because he was talking big talk, rather than it seems really meaning it.  But what a foolish and dangerous thing to do ... and twice!

But the sentence was far too short IMO

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #3059 on: July 16, 2017, 02:51:20 PM »
There is a vast social gap between a retired TV Producer and the old money and connections of an aristocrat, a  Viscount.

I think the brevitty of Viscount Phillipps sentence was because he was talking big talk, rather than it seems really meaning it.  But what a foolish and dangerous thing to do ... and twice!

But the sentence was far too short IMO

In theory all are equal before the law. The Viscount seemed rich in titles but not in money, old or new. He was probably offering money he didn't have.
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