'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

[Robittybob1]

This reluctance to admit to seeing Madeleine on Thursday - very  telling - IMO

If they weren't there they weren't there, that's all.

[G-Unit]

If they weren't there they weren't there, that's all.

A year after the event Matthew seemed unsure what he had seen. Seven days after the event he wasn't;

About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men's tennis match, held in the above resort area, where they remained until about 19h00. He clarifies that when they arrived at that meeting GM was already there, with KM and her children watching the match, the rest of the women and children joining them [KM and children] later.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

[Robittybob1]

There was no suggestion that the twins might have been sedated, so I can see no reason why the police would have thought it necessary to have them tested. Why didn't Kate repeat what she alleges she said to the GNR on 3rd?

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [madeleine]

If she had said that to the PJ or the FLO's she might have got the response she says she wanted.

The quote Pathfinder gave was from Gery's arguido statement.
I'll repeat it here: "--- When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping."
OK we can't say for certain the words Gerry used but in there is a clear expression as far as he is concerned the authorities were aware of his concerns.
The liaison officers confirmed that.  Whether that concern was passed on by the liaison officers we don't know.

[sadie]

I do remember you saying that previously Sadie.  Do the posts survive? You are not suggesting the cooks or the nannies are involved are you?  So who do you think would have done this to the McCanns.  That night they were the only ones from the Tapas 9 who were at tea with their kids in the Tapas, as the others were at the restaurant on the beach front.

I just relate my thoughts as i see them.  They may be right or they may be wrong, but Madeleine had to be carried back to 5A after tea .... and the children were too tired to go out to play that evening.  That must have been the highlight of the day for them, playing together on the outdoor play equipment with their friends in their pj's .... but they were too tired.

I haven't made any suggestions as to who might have tainted their food/drinks ... but there certainly is a question mark in  my mind as to who Madeleines lifter might have been .... and the sensible person to do that was someone who she trusted and liked, in case she woke up.

I wonder who was on duty at the tapas restaurant that afternoon?  Who prepared the food and drinks and who served it ?  Any third party hanging around, passing thru?

I want to make it clear that these are only my thoughts, and I know that I might be wrong, but there are back up pointers which tend to support my thoughts.

[G-Unit]

The quote Pathfinder gave was from Gery's arguido statement.
I'll repeat it here: "--- When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. When questioned, he says he never gave his children anything to help them sleep, nor did Kate. When asked why he did not ask the twins what happened to their sister, he says that when the events took place they still did not speak fluently, which is now a normal developmental difficulty. At this point he did not ask them because he thought that they would not have the correct perception of what had happened, in addition to thinking that they would have been sleeping."
OK we can't say for certain the words Gerry used but in there is a clear expression as far as he is concerned the authorities were aware of his concerns.
The liaison officers confirmed that.  Whether that concern was passed on by the liaison officers we don't know.

The liaison officers never mentioned the twins because according to them the McCanns didn't. Unless, of course, the McCanns did. Had the PJ had their way the liaison officers would have been asked in detail what the McCanns told them, but their questions were rejected by Stuart Prior and replaced with just one more general question.

[sadie]

But Kate said nothing about the twins being 'extra tired' or indeed tired at all. How do you explain that ? Further the first time Kate even suggested that Madeleine was 'extra tired' that night was in 2011 in her book. Before then Madeleine, according to the McCanns, was wide awake.

The little children were too tired to go out and play that evening.  It is in the statements somewhere.  I feel sure that you have seen it.

[sadie]

Gerry's off playing stupid tennis games, while Kate has dutifully got the three kids ready for bed!  The perfect family!

That's the way in most families, isn't it?   The woman does all the chores and the man enjoys himself

No way is tennis stupid; it is a great game.   Pity thta kate couldn't have joined in tho.

[Robittybob1]

I just relate my thoughts as i see them.  They may be right or they may be wrong, but Madeleine had to be carried back to 5A after tea .... and the children were too tired to go out to play that evening.  That must have been the highlight of the day for them, playing together on the outdoor play equipment with their friends in their pj's .... but they were too tired.

I haven't made any suggestions as to who might have tainted their food/drinks ... but there certainly is a question mark in  my mind as to who Madeleines lifter might have been .... and the sensible person to do that was someone who she trusted and liked, in case she woke up.

I wonder who was on duty at the tapas restaurant that afternoon?  Who prepared the food and drinks and who served it ?  Any third party hanging around, passing thru?

I want to make it clear that these are only my thoughts, and I know that I might be wrong, but there are back up pointers which tend to support my thoughts.

Those are not stupid ideas,  in fact if we were to consider a kidnapping that would be one very well thought out method,  like a sleeping pill slipped into the chicken nugget!

[Robittybob1]

That's the way in most families, isn't it?   The woman does all the chores and the man enjoys himself

No way is tennis stupid; it is a great game.   Pity thta kate couldn't have joined in tho.

I enjoy watching it.  At least Gerry had some consideration for Kate's maternal tasks, he sent David around to help with the bathing of the kids didn't he?
Well in hindsight that can't have been the reason for Gerry had already helped with that.
Post below: "They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath."

[Brietta]

But Kate said nothing about the twins being 'extra tired' or indeed tired at all. How do you explain that ? Further the first time Kate even suggested that Madeleine was 'extra tired' that night was in 2011 in her book. Before then Madeleine, according to the McCanns, was wide awake.

I am afraid you have got it wrong ... yet again ... Madeleine's tiredness was mentioned long before Kate wrote about it in her book.  As was noted that the children were not taken to the play area because of ... tiredness.

Why do you think Kate and Gerry were of the opinion that "Madeleine was wide awake" ... do you have a cite?


Snip
 ... she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath.
   ...
After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

[faithlilly]

The little children were too tired to go out and play that evening.  It is in the statements somewhere.  I feel sure that you have seen it.

Sadie do you actually know how a sedated child would act ?

Kate said that the children were sitting reading books while she took her shower. Do you really think that if the children had been dosed with some kind of sedative they would be doing that over an hour after the sedative had been given ?

[faithlilly]

I am afraid you have got it wrong ... yet again ... Madeleine's tiredness was mentioned long before Kate wrote about it in her book.  As was noted that the children were not taken to the play area because of ... tiredness.

Why do you think Kate and Gerry were of the opinion that "Madeleine was wide awake" ... do you have a cite?


Snip
 ... she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath.
   ...
After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Perhaps you missed this part Brietta 'Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness'. Being an anaesthetist I think Kate would have known the difference between natural tiredness and tiredness brought on by sedation even if you don't.

[sadie]

Perhaps you missed this part Brietta 'Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness'. Being an anaesthetist I think Kate would have known the difference between natural tiredness and tiredness brought on by sedation even if you don't.

At that stage, why should she even have a thought of them being drugged or sedated ?  They were away on holiday FGS

[Robittybob1]

Perhaps you missed this part Brietta 'Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness'. Being an anaesthetist I think Kate would have known the difference between natural tiredness and tiredness brought on by sedation even if you don't.

You are making a lot of presumptions here.

[Brietta]

Perhaps you missed this part Brietta 'Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness'. Being an anaesthetist I think Kate would have known the difference between natural tiredness and tiredness brought on by sedation even if you don't.

I missed nothing in my response to your post ... in particular the 'error' you made in asserting the children's tiredness was not mentioned until 2011 for which you have failed to provide the cite I requested.