Security at the secondary reception entrance.

[pathfinder73]

I am sure the Mark Warner staff had every area covered but I'm principally looking at the Tapas 9 and where they looked immediately afterwards.

I too was astounded the the Tapas friends didn't check the pool.

 I did a sweep of the err the pool err and the area you know immediately around err the Ocean Club. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

He refers to the movements of two men from said group, David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

GNR Officer J. M. B. R. refers to a situation when he was searching outside, near the pool, that someone from the OC whom he cannot identify, passed him a mobile phone, as a British Consulate employee who spoke in Portuguese, wanted to talk to the authorities. Upon speaking to him, he told him that the investigation and subsequent actions were under the responsibility of the PJ.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

[G-Unit]

So how do you feel when you read the final report? "Subsequently an attempt was made to reconstruct the route taken by Madeleine by giving the dogs a blanket/towel used by her, but the results were not significant, given that the dogs are more trained for use in rural areas rather than urban or populated areas, the existence of more odours in the air making it impossible for the tracker dog to identify/locate the “target smell”." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

If three teams of dogs followed the same track, to me that is significant and the fact they didn't locate the target, suggest to me that an abduction is more than possible.  For the trail to stop suggest the target has been lifted up at that point.

That quote related to the third attempt, on 8th.

[Robittybob1]

That quote related to the third attempt, on 8th.

I find it truly remarkable that tracking can be done so long after the event.

[Robittybob1]

Given the pools proximity to the apartment surely it would have been one of the first places to be checked in case the missing child had fallen in.

You would think so but does anyone specifically say they checked it in the first 10 minutes after the alarm is raised?

[Robittybob1]

Are all the, "- outside the Ocean Club reception area" from Russells Rog? ... or are they your words, Rob?

Cos, I dont think we can be sure which parking area Russell means
1)  The parking at the front of block 5  ?  ...  or
2)  Opposite the Tapas reception area?


The fact that more than one person searched the Tapas area, points to the fact that the Tapas Reception building entrance had its doors open.

IMO,  No point in searching where Madeleine could NOT have gained entrance, was there ?

Sorry for not making it quite clear but Russell's quote finished at the speech marks,  and those repeat line lines was me emphasising the areas checked were all outside of the gate.
Quote from Sadie:
"The fact that more than one person searched the Tapas area, points to the fact that the Tapas Reception building entrance had its doors open.

IMO, No point in searching where Madeleine could NOT have gained entrance, was there ?"

Sadie,  I was wondering if you have got that bit correct?  It seems to me you should be saying "the door was shut rather than open".  No point in searching where Madeleine could NOT have gained entrance, was there ?  only makes sense if the door was shut.  But Kate's concept of Madeleine finding them at the Tapas was dependent on the reception door being open at all times.  Kate's logic fails big time if someone shut the reception door!

[Robittybob1]

I did a sweep of the err the pool err and the area you know immediately around err the Ocean Club. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

He refers to the movements of two men from said group, David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

GNR Officer J. M. B. R. refers to a situation when he was searching outside, near the pool, that someone from the OC whom he cannot identify, passed him a mobile phone, as a British Consulate employee who spoke in Portuguese, wanted to talk to the authorities. Upon speaking to him, he told him that the investigation and subsequent actions were under the responsibility of the PJ.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

Look; if the GNR have arrived that is nearly one hour later.   We are not really discussing what happened one hour later, but what happened in the first 10 minutes or so before Matt went to call the police.

But the other quotes are really important and I thank you for locating those two.

[pathfinder73]

David and Matt were seen searching the tapas area e.g. gardens, pools, play area, tennis courts in their first searches after the alarm. After checking David told Dianne to leave the table where she was sitting on her own. Dianne left and went to apartment 5A where she found Kate alone with the twins.

[Robittybob1]

David and Matt were seen searching the tapas area e.g. gardens, pools, play area, tennis courts in their first searches after the alarm. After checking David told Dianne to leave the table where she was sitting on her own. Dianne left and went to apartment 5A where she found Kate alone with the twins.

I'll check out what you have said.  Some of it doesn't gel with my understanding.

[pathfinder73]

I started, you wanted to check that your own two are alright so I, some say I ran up to our apartment and checked they were alright. Dianne had err had said, Fiona had asked Dianne to stay at the table, at the Tapas just in case err you know Madeleine wandered by or you know and thought that was the best place and I say at some stage I went back and asked Dianne to just, could you go and stay with the children. I did a sweep of the err the pool err and the area you know immediately around err the Ocean Club.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Err so I, I stayed at the table in case Madeleine had wandered off and she might come looking round the restaurant. Err this is when it gets all a bit confusing because I’ve no idea how long I, I stayed there. I don’t, I don’t think it was that long and I know that at one point, again, this wasn’t in my original statement, Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

[Robittybob1]

I started, you wanted to check that your own two are alright so I, some say I ran up to our apartment and checked they were alright. Dianne had err had said, Fiona had asked Dianne to stay at the table, at the Tapas just in case err you know Madeleine wandered by or you know and thought that was the best place and I say at some stage I went back and asked Dianne to just, could you go and stay with the children. I did a sweep of the err the pool err and the area you know immediately around err the Ocean Club.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Err so I, I stayed at the table in case Madeleine had wandered off and she might come looking round the restaurant. Err this is when it gets all a bit confusing because I’ve no idea how long I, I stayed there. I don’t, I don’t think it was that long and I know that at one point, again, this wasn’t in my original statement, Dave did come back to the table and say can, can you just go back to the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

Thanks for that clarification.  I still find it a bit confusing for Dianne herself goes to 5A and then goes back for her stuff and then later goes to the Payne's apartment.  So if that was the sequence it clearly was quite a bit later that David does the check around the Tapas areas.

[pathfinder73]

David is searching that area when Dianne was still at the table. She left the table only about 5 minutes after Kate raised the alarm so he checked that area first in his searches for Madeleine.

[sadie]

David is searching that area when Dianne was still at the table. She left the table only about 5 minutes after Kate raised the alarm so he checked that area first in his searches for Madeleine.

Gerry searched the tapas area too, didn't he?

[Robittybob1]

David is searching that area when Dianne was still at the table. She left the table only about 5 minutes after Kate raised the alarm so he checked that area first in his searches for Madeleine.

Is that what Russell said earlier? Russell Matt Dave and Gerry search all those outside areas first http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8957.msg439649#msg439649
So they can't be in two places at once.

[sadie]

Sorry for not making it quite clear but Russell's quote finished at the speech marks,  and those repeat line lines was me emphasising the areas checked were all outside of the gate.
Quote from Sadie:
"The fact that more than one person searched the Tapas area, points to the fact that the Tapas Reception building entrance had its doors open.

IMO, No point in searching where Madeleine could NOT have gained entrance, was there ?"

Sadie,  I was wondering if you have got that bit correct?  It seems to me you should be saying "the door was shut rather than open".  No point in searching where Madeleine could NOT have gained entrance, was there ?  only makes sense if the door was shut.  But Kate's concept of Madeleine finding them at the Tapas was dependent on the reception door being open at all times.  Kate's logic fails big time if someone shut the reception door!

Several people searched Rob, so that points to the fact that the group were aware that the reception doors were open.

Had they been closed, Madeleine could not have entered ... so no point in  searching there.

[pathfinder73]

Gerry searched the tapas area too, didn't he?

He never said that in any of his interviews. He said he went to main reception. One tapas staff claimed to see him but he could be mistaken as David and Matt were also seen searching there. Russell said he was searching the apartment gardens.

--- When asked why instead of scouring the land next to the complex they stayed inside the apartment, he replies that it did not happen that way.

 While the guests and employees of the resort were searching, he went to the main Reception to check whether they had called the Police, and told Kate to wait inside the apartment. After going to the Reception he went back to the apartment where he stayed in the living room and in their bedroom.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm