The Smithman e-fits

[faithlilly]

So would you therefore agree any insinuation that the McCanns, rather than the Company, were responsible for what happened to information collected by the PI's is libellous?
ETA Kate & Gerry were not part of the business until 12/11/08 when they became directors.

Is there a correlation between the report being presented to the fund and the McCanns becoming directors ? The dates certainly suggest so. Was the McCanns becoming directors an attempt by them to control more fully how the report was used ?

Not libelling anyone, simply asking questions.

[Brietta]

They settled out of court. The McCanns have never been awarded a victory in a defamation trial in the UK in my opinion.

Whoever made the decisions about the Smith e-fits it's a fact that they weren't publicised. Posters have suggested there were problems with the evidence because;

The Smiths didn't report their sighting right away.
The e-fits weren't made until over a year after the event.

An e-fit which was publicised in 2009 had even bigger problems;

The man waited two years before reporting his evidence.
His e-fit was done two years after the event.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204605/The-Victoria-Beckham-lookalike-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-asked-tourist-new-daughter.html

What is it you fail to comprehend about the the fact that the Sunday Times libelled Kate and Gerry McCann?

• Faced with the grotesque and utterly false suggestion that they had, in effect, deliberately hindered the search for their daughter and thereby let the trail go cold, Mr and Mrs McCann had no alternative but to bring a libel complaint in order to correct falsehoods which could only serve to damage the search fortheir daughter
• Eventually, two months later, the Sunday Times acknowledged that its article had been completely false and published a full retraction and apology. But even then the apology was tucked away on an inside page. The newspaper even refused to include the word "apology" in its headline.

https://www.carter-ruck.com/images/uploads/documents/McCann-Press_Release-03102014.PDF


Repetition of the original false statement in relation to Kate and Gerry McCann is therefore libellous.  Please desist; or is there to be one law for you on the forum while everyone else observes the law on libel?

[slartibartfast]

Is there a correlation between the report being presented to the fund and the McCanns becoming directors ? The dates certainly suggest so. Was the McCanns becoming directors an attempt by them to control more fully how the report was used ?

Not libelling anyone, simply asking questions.

Good question, they were made directors in November 2008 around the passing of the efits to LP and PJ.

[Brietta]

All very suspicious imo and in no way conducive of what one would expect in what was supposed to be an abduction.  All these delays, secret hidden reports and dodgy private detectives.  😎

None dodgier - in my opinion - than Oakley International.

Irish conman to be deported over $2m fraud

A judge has ordered Kevin Richard Halligen to be deported, likely to Ireland as US officials are working off an Irish passport, though the man himself insists he is an Englishman.

If sent to Britain, he could find himself being questioned over vast sums of money handed to him by a fund set up to search for Madeleine McCann and for which little work appeared to be done.

Halligen, from a working class south Dublin family who spoke with a high-class English accent and told people he was a spy, pleaded guilty last month to one count of fraud, stealing $2.1m (€1.6m) from a Dutch firm that hired him to help release two missing executives.

It was only a fraction of the $12m total Halligen’s firm was paid to find the pair,
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Supporters of the Madeleine McCann fund believe some of the £300,000 (€350,000) funnelled to Halligen after he was hired to help find the girl paid for those boozy days in DC.

Associates who worked on the McCann case cannot recall Halligen coming up with any idea of note, citing one in which he proposed hiring a man dressed as a priest to go angling for confessions on a pub crawl around the bars of the resort where she disappeared.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irish-conman-to-be-deported-over-2m-fraud-235553.html

[faithlilly]

None dodgier - in my opinion - than Oakley International.

Irish conman to be deported over $2m fraud

A judge has ordered Kevin Richard Halligen to be deported, likely to Ireland as US officials are working off an Irish passport, though the man himself insists he is an Englishman.

If sent to Britain, he could find himself being questioned over vast sums of money handed to him by a fund set up to search for Madeleine McCann and for which little work appeared to be done.

Halligen, from a working class south Dublin family who spoke with a high-class English accent and told people he was a spy, pleaded guilty last month to one count of fraud, stealing $2.1m (€1.6m) from a Dutch firm that hired him to help release two missing executives.

It was only a fraction of the $12m total Halligen’s firm was paid to find the pair,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Supporters of the Madeleine McCann fund believe some of the £300,000 (€350,000) funnelled to Halligen after he was hired to help find the girl paid for those boozy days in DC.

Associates who worked on the McCann case cannot recall Halligen coming up with any idea of note, citing one in which he proposed hiring a man dressed as a priest to go angling for confessions on a pub crawl around the bars of the resort where she disappeared.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/irish-conman-to-be-deported-over-2m-fraud-235553.html

It was Exton who compiled the report and had the efits commissioned. Are you saying a man who had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police, who successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s and who worked with MI5 on undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’ ‘dodgy ‘ ?

[Brietta]

Without wishing to take this thread way  off topic, you have no idea what the police really think unless you are a SY or PJ insider.  I found it extremely interesting that when the Portuguese Supreme Court made their decision and drew special attention to the question of innocence, not one of the police investigating authorities spoke up.

Why would they?  A civil libel case was none of their concern just as interference in a criminal case was no concern - in my opinion - of appeal court judges ruling in a civil case.  Just the fact that you and others view the civil appeal court judges' pronouncement on the status of an innocent couple in a criminal case as pejorative to them ... rather reinforces the decision to seek redress in the ECHR.

[barrier]

Why would they?  A civil libel case was none of their concern just as interference in a criminal case was no concern - in my opinion - of appeal court judges ruling in a civil case.  Just the fact that you and others view the civil appeal court judges' pronouncement on the status of an innocent couple in a criminal case as pejorative to them ... rather reinforces the decision to seek redress in the ECHR.

Didn't the Judge in the SC comment because the McCann's lawyer brought it up.

[barrier]

Good question, they were made directors in November 2008 around the passing of the efits to LP and PJ.

So the e-fits get passed to the LP but yet SY have to get permission it seems to get them,how does that work?

[G-Unit]

What is it you fail to comprehend about the the fact that the Sunday Times libelled Kate and Gerry McCann?

• Faced with the grotesque and utterly false suggestion that they had, in effect, deliberately hindered the search for their daughter and thereby let the trail go cold, Mr and Mrs McCann had no alternative but to bring a libel complaint in order to correct falsehoods which could only serve to damage the search fortheir daughter
• Eventually, two months later, the Sunday Times acknowledged that its article had been completely false and published a full retraction and apology. But even then the apology was tucked away on an inside page. The newspaper even refused to include the word "apology" in its headline.

https://www.carter-ruck.com/images/uploads/documents/McCann-Press_Release-03102014.PDF


Repetition of the original false statement in relation to Kate and Gerry McCann is therefore libellous.  Please desist; or is there to be one law for you on the forum while everyone else observes the law on libel?

Which particular false statement have I repeated?

[Angelo222]

Why would they? It was a civil case, related to assertions and conclusions by the initial coordinator of the first few months, apparenntly in exchange for substantial sums of money and who had been whisked off the case.

The SC was forced to make the declaration given the McCanns claims published in the media.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Didn't Redwood only find out about the withheld items after the Spanish National Police raided Metodo 3's offices in Barcelona with SY officers (in suits below) tagging along?

I discussed this on a pro McCann forum years ago.. why use  Spanish Detective agency at all? they broke two  laws in doing so 1. investigating while this police have a live interest in the case. 2. getting someone from another country investigating a live interest in the case.

another note:

Re: appointing themselves directors this was also a very suspicious move IMHO. I would have thought they would be toto distraught  being busy working and looking after twins... seems not to be the case.


No one should have approached the Smiths from any one other than the PJ. I would have thought the family would have been delighted that someone was of interest and this line of enquiry was being investigated, but the supporters are agitated by the smith sighting I wonder why that would be...

[Brietta]

Or more accurately, as it was settled out of court, Yeah ... the Sunday Times coughed up “damages" out of the goodness of their hearts, issued an apology and paid all the legal fees.

They had no case to defend ... just as you don't.

You do understand that the Sunday Times admitted to printing lies about Kate and Gerry McCann thus libelling them, don't you?

[Miss Taken Identity]

You do understand that the Sunday Times admitted to printing lies about Kate and Gerry McCann thus libelling them, don't you?

What lies was this then?

[Brietta]

It was Exton who compiled the report and had the efits commissioned. Are you saying a man who had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police, who successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s and who worked with MI5 on undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’ ‘dodgy ‘ ?

I am saying that Oakley International were proven in the courts of the USA to be a reprehensible organisation responsible for fraud on an international scale. 

[jassi]

What lies was this then?

Not sure. They were a bit careless in their wording and printed something that they couldn't substantiate.