Evidence the PJ followed up on issues raised via the British liaison officers

[Robittybob1]

Is there any evidence the PJ followed up an issue first raised via the British Family liaison officers (FLO)?

Examples where I feel it didn't happen:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm
"In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm
"However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."

Now surely these requests were not held back by the FLO

What other issues were reported by the FLOs?  Were they followed up by the PJ or were they ignored?

[slartibartfast]

Is there any evidence the PJ followed up a issue raised via the British liaison officers (BLO)?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm
"In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm
"However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."

Now surely these requests were not held back by the BLO

What other issues were reported by the BLO?  Were they followed up or were they ignored.

They seemed to get into the files in April 2008.

[Robittybob1]

They seemed to get into the files in April 2008.

Is that in itself evidence they were being ignored?  Better take some statement from them just before the case gets archived!

[slartibartfast]

Is that in itself evidence they were being ignored?  Better take some statement from them just before the case gets archived!

That’s when the statements were made as far as I can see...

[G-Unit]

Is there any evidence the PJ followed up a issue raised via the British liaison officers (BLO)?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm
"In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm
"However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction."

Now surely these requests were not held back by the BLO

What other issues were reported by the BLO?  Were they followed up or were they ignored.

The role of an FLO in the UK is twofold. They support and inform the family but they also report back to the investigation if they learn anything of interest. In the case of 'the vision' by a friend of a friend of an aunt, Markley made a statement about it and the British police seem to have been involved rather than the Portuguese police. Were the FLO's reporting to their own superiors or to the PJ?

[Robittybob1]

That’s when the statements were made as far as I can see...

But surely the British police and the PJ spoke to each other on a daily basis.  [There was something about having offices side by side so they could check up on each other.] 

[Robittybob1]

Madeleine McCann's parents fell out with British as well as Portuguese police, says leaked report  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeliene-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-british-portuguese-police-fell-out-daughter-missing-operation-a7714736.html

Quote:
"Kate and Gerry McCann ended up getting information from their own private investigators but refusing to share all of it with British detectives, according to the Home Office document obtained by Sky News.

The report, ordered by the then Labour Home Secretary Alan Johnson in late 2009, is believed to have said: “It is clear that the McCanns and the private investigators working on their behalf have gathered a large amount of information during the course of their enquiries.

Madeleine McCann’s parents vow to do ‘whatever it takes’ to find her
“This information does not appear to have been shared fully with the Leicestershire Constabulary or the Portuguese authorities.

"It is imperative that they are encouraged and persuaded to share this information."

The report, written by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, adds: "Clearly, the McCanns have had a turbulent relationship with both Portuguese and UK law enforcement. They now openly acknowledge that there is a distinct lack of trust between all parties."  End quote.

That was repeated in one of the Sky Documentaries on the case.

[Robittybob1]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71885#msg71885  Angelo raised a thread discussing "Police officers sent packing after asking Kate McCann where her daughter was?" 

"Several British police officers spent time in Praia da Luz after Madeleine's disappearance.  The first to arrive was British Embassy liaison officer Glen Power on 5th May.  His brief was to facilitate communication between the two police forces.  Two days later a further two British police officers arrived, one being Bob Small from Leicestershire Police, whose function was to act as support officers between the McCanns and the Portuguese investigators.  Other officers arrive from Scotland Yard including specialists and technicians.

According to Mr Amaral, an 'incident' occurred on 14th May when Kate McCann was asked by one of the highly experienced British liaison police officers as to where Madeleine was.  The question did not go down well, the officer and his colleague were sent packing back to England having only been there a week.  The two officers are later replaced by a Portuguese speaker.

Curiously, the incident has been conveniently forgotten."  Ok a whole thread to digest.

[Robittybob1]

Anne Guedes "On the 5th of May there were 6 PO from the LC present in PDL : the inspectors Caroline Burrows, Eleanor Johnson, Michael Graham, Neil Holden, Jim Mc Garvey and Stephen Markley.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 7-14"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71923#msg71923 Carana corrects her.

Stephen was a little helpful http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71949#msg71949

" :From a link.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

km's diaries.

'MONDAY, MAY 14: I slept well last night after a not very good end of the day, frustration with the FLO (Portuguese police family liaison officer) asking me where would my little M be.'

Now was this just the Portuguese officer, or were UK representatives there as well ?"

[Robittybob1]

DCI comes to the rescue and it reads like it was two of the PJ who were reassigned

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71986#msg71986

"I think you slightly altered what Amaral say's. He doesn't mention anyone "sent packing"

According to Amaral,

I had worked with Glen on several cases of violent crime or linked to organised crime; I was aware of his skills, his great capacity for work, his kindness and his modesty. Our relationship went beyond that of a simple professional connection. I was a bit worried when he told me that he wouldn't be around a few days later. He had a lot to do.

On May 14th, Kate Healy is indignant about the attitude of the liaison officer, who asks her where her daughter is. Neither she nor her husband accepts anyone doubting their word. The officer will be sent packing - and his colleague too - a week after his arrival. That attitude is, to say the least, shocking on the part of parents confronted by such a situation, that, what is more, is in a foreign country. Those two police officers, who distinguished themselves through long experience in the management of situations of kidnap and abduction, were, all the same, entirely at their disposal; they provided daily logistical and legal support, and afforded them all the help they could have needed.

Curiously, the English do not consider it expedient to disclose the incident and the PJ are not informed. Myself, I only learn of it indirectly. Finally, a solution is found quickly: the two men are replaced by a Portuguese man who speaks fluent English."

[Robittybob1]

Classic line from Eleanor http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg72181#msg72181

"What is A Lie?" 

[Robittybob1]

Thread finished up debating whether Amaral could speak and read English.

[G-Unit]

Anne Guedes "On the 5th of May there were 6 PO from the LC present in PDL : the inspectors Caroline Burrows, Eleanor Johnson, Michael Graham, Neil Holden, Jim Mc Garvey and Stephen Markley.
Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 7-14"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71923#msg71923 Carana corrects her.

Stephen was a little helpful http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2163.msg71949#msg71949

" :From a link.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

km's diaries.

'MONDAY, MAY 14: I slept well last night after a not very good end of the day, frustration with the FLO (Portuguese police family liaison officer) asking me where would my little M be.'

Now was this just the Portuguese officer, or were UK representatives there as well ?"

A disagreement between Amaral and Kate McCann then. She says a Portuguese FLO frustrated her, he says British.

[Robittybob1]

What I was hoping to find was that witnesses that had reported to the BLO got less than satisfactory follow-up by the PJ, but I'm not sure how to find an example.

[Robittybob1]

witnesses that I know of that dealt with the British Police are George Burke Brooks, Jayne Jensen & Annie Wiltshire, Moyes.
1.  George Burke Brooks: 

"Regarding the content of the attached email from British Authorities, with particular focus with respect to the statement by Michael Terrence Wright, in the international letter of request which is being implemented by the Leicestershire Police, on the 6th of May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, a pizza kitchen worker, of British nationality and originally from Liverpool, commented to that witness that her father, George, had seen a man carrying a child, in the early hours of May 4th of 2007. He does not know if George contacted the authorities about this."

2.  Annie  Wiltshire and Jayne Jensen:
"British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment'
By FIONA BARTON, DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN

Last updated at 15:55 31 December 2007

"In an exclusive interview, Jayne Jensen and Annie Wiltshire told how they saw two blond men in their 30s, standing on the balcony of an empty apartment only a couple of doors away from the McCanns' flat in Praia da Luz."

"Although the two sisters contacted Portuguese police within hours of Madeleine's disappearance, their evidence was ignored for six months.

The women met police three times within 24 hours, tried to find out who the strangers were themselves and made several follow-up phone calls to the authorities.

But it was not until six weeks ago that a formal statement was finally taken.

The two women, both divorcees from Maidstone, Kent, spent 11 hours with British police officers providing details of their evidence and later met private detectives from Metodo 3, the agency employed by the McCanns to find their daughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-504950/British-witnesses-We-saw-blond-men-balcony-Madeleine-apartment.html#ixzz58rp4wZQa

3.  Paul and Susan Moyes:

"British holidaymakers Paul and Susan Moyes told the Sun Online how officers asked them about a mystery man and woman while questioning them about what they remembered from the night Maddie went missing on May 3, 2007.
The retired accountant said: "The Met police came here about two years ago and both times they came into our house.

"The first time they interviewed us in separate rooms and took our DNA and that visit lasted more than an hour.

"The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.

"The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn't.""

Conclusion:

Did any of these people get timely visits from the PJ?