Missing children and the statistics.

[Robittybob1]

John, what she is alleged to have said (not the term in the title) refers to "missing".

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Is that supposed to mean that 99.% of parents / family members are responsible when a teen skips school for a few hours and was reported as "missing"?

NB: @ Rob, you seem to be attributing a term to her that she isn't even alleged to have said. Any chance of modifying the title?

Not really because even though it is quoted in the file that she said "missing", she meant abducted (IMO) for the figures of 99.99% are only applicable to 33% of missing kids that are abductions.

[Carana]

Not really because even though it is quoted in the file that she said "missing", she meant abducted (IMO) for the figures of 99.99% are only applicable to 33% of missing kids that are abductions.

According to which set of statistis in which country?

[Robittybob1]

According to which set of statistis in which country?

I have had to use the USA ones as no other country has done a similar breakdown that I can recall.  The figures in her statement were from her own experience, not official studies either.

[Carana]

I have had to use the USA ones as no other country has done a similar breakdown that I can recall.  The figures in her statement were from her own experience, not official studies either.

I find the title of the thread misleading, Rob.

[Robittybob1]

I find the title of the thread misleading, Rob.

It is not that bad "The stats of Child abduction - 99.9% its due to the parents."  In the studies done 99.9% of child abductions are done by the parents and the people known to the parents and just a very small percentage done by a stranger.

So if the McCanns insisted Madeleine was abducted from the beginning the stats themselves point the finger back onto the "parents and the people known to the parents".  Blame the parents and the people known to the parents for an abduction and in 99.9% of cases you will be right.   Why was the McCann case the odd one out?

[Angelo222]

It is not that bad "The stats of Child abduction - 99.9% its due to the parents."  In the studies done 99.9% of child abductions are done by the parents and the people known to the parents and just a very small percentage done by a stranger.

So if the McCanns insisted Madeleine was abducted from the beginning the stats themselves point the finger back onto the "parents and the people known to the parents".  Blame the parents and the people known to the parents for an abduction and in 99.9% of cases you will be right.   Why was the McCann case the odd one out?

I believe it has already been pointed out to you that child abduction cases seldom involve both parents acting unilaterally.  The McCann case thus cannot fall within this particular set of statistics Rob so please stop claiming it does.  The McCann case has absolutely nothing to do with parental abduction.

[Brietta]

It is not that bad "The stats of Child abduction - 99.9% its due to the parents."  In the studies done 99.9% of child abductions are done by the parents and the people known to the parents and just a very small percentage done by a stranger.

So if the McCanns insisted Madeleine was abducted from the beginning the stats themselves point the finger back onto the "parents and the people known to the parents".  Blame the parents and the people known to the parents for an abduction and in 99.9% of cases you will be right.   Why was the McCann case the odd one out?

In my opinion the statistics you are using are not only meaningless they are an insult to every parent whose child has suffered abduction by a stranger many of whom, like Madeleine, have vanished without trace.

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion the statistics you are using are not only meaningless they are an insult to every parent whose child has suffered abduction by a stranger many of whom, like Madeleine, have vanished without trace.

Don't blame me for the figures they are figures used by the official agencies.  The parents who's kid has been abducted by a stranger and has not yet been found Is OK.

It is the very few who disappear without a reason and a trace  they have their own category - unexplained.

[Robittybob1]

I believe it has already been pointed out to you that child abduction cases seldom involve both parents acting unilaterally.  The McCann case thus cannot fall within this particular set of statistics Rob so please stop claiming it does.  The McCann case has absolutely nothing to do with parental abduction.

So Smithman wasn't Gerry McCann, are you absolutely certain of that?

I must have missed the post pointing out "that child abduction cases seldom involve both parents acting unilaterally"  - can't remember that sorry.

[Carana]

Rob, read your post again....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9239.msg450331#msg450331

[Robittybob1]

Why ?

Is it not important to identify the guilty, irrespective of who they might be?

I'm just saying she might hopefully be wrong about her stats.

[Robittybob1]

Rob, read your post again....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9239.msg450331#msg450331

I have read the whole thread again and I stand by what I have have said.  Every part is cited from somewhere.
What in particular about #5 is important?
Was it this bit "OK that is just 115  out of nearly 800,000 missing kids that were abducted by strangers or just over the 1 in 10,000 but looking at the total of the family and those known to the family it does not come to anywhere the total of 797,500, in fact [that adds to just] 262,100   out of [the] 797500 [or just]   32.86520376% [of the total]  So abducted kids is only about 33% of the missing kids, the rest are runaways and throwaways." 
It was not explained what the other 540,000 case were due to.  I guessed they were "runaways and throwaways" (words they used to begin with).

[Brietta]

I made an oblique reference to this appalling tragedy in another post and I am citing it here to illustrate that great care must be taken when applying statistics to real cases.

In my opinion it epitomises the circumstances of many of the tragedies consistent with parental abduction.  None of which are applicable to Madeleine's situation or to her parents and their friends.
Therefore it follows that entirely the wrong statistics are being referred to in any discussion involving Madeleine McCann.

https://www.dn.pt/mundo/interior/policia-britanica-investiga-morte-de-familia-portuguesa-em-londres-9176037.html

[Robittybob1]

I made an oblique reference to this appalling tragedy in another post and I am citing it here to illustrate that great care must be taken when applying statistics to real cases.

In my opinion it epitomises the circumstances of many of the tragedies consistent with parental abduction.  None of which are applicable to Madeleine's situation or to her parents and their friends.
Therefore it follows that entirely the wrong statistics are being referred to in any discussion involving Madeleine McCann.

https://www.dn.pt/mundo/interior/policia-britanica-investiga-morte-de-familia-portuguesa-em-londres-9176037.html

What can I say then, if you are of the opinion none of the extensive analysis of the cases and the formation of the Missing Children stats has any relationship to the McCann case.

Have you considered Madeleine maybe one of the very few who are abducted by a stranger, it is rare but it does happen at the rate of 1 in 10,000 cases (USA figures).  We can't rule that out.
In fact Madeleine fits into the rarest category - the unknown cause.

[Eleanor]

What can I say then, if you are of the opinion none of the extensive analysis of the cases and the formation of the Missing Children stats has any relationship to the McCann case.

Have you considered Madeleine maybe one of the very few who are abducted by a stranger, it is rare but it does happen at the rate of 1 in 10,000 cases (USA figures).  We can't rule that out.
In fact Madeleine fits into the rarest category - the unknown cause.

One is enough.  One is still a statistic.