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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2018, 07:14:50 PM »
Who told the Telegraph there was 100% match?  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

'Sources close to the case' ' a source close to the Portuguese investigation'. Not close enough to 'leak' the truth, it seems;

A sample that was a full match to Madeleine's DNA was allegedly found on the windowsill of the McCanns' apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

I wonder who told them this?

Social workers were expected to visit the family home in the village of Rothley this week to assess whether the children were being cared for properly and whether they had been in any way traumatised by the events of the past four months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2018, 07:18:18 PM »
'Sources close to the case' ' a source close to the Portuguese investigation'. Not close enough to 'leak' the truth, it seems;

A sample that was a full match to Madeleine's DNA was allegedly found on the windowsill of the McCanns' apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

I wonder who told them this?

Social workers were expected to visit the family home in the village of Rothley this week to assess whether the children were being cared for properly and whether they had been in any way traumatised by the events of the past four months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

The source was close enough to reveal what the PJ thought... Who else thought there was a 100% match

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2018, 07:19:46 PM »
'Sources close to the case' ' a source close to the Portuguese investigation'. Not close enough to 'leak' the truth, it seems;

A sample that was a full match to Madeleine's DNA was allegedly found on the windowsill of the McCanns' apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

I wonder who told them this?

Social workers were expected to visit the family home in the village of Rothley this week to assess whether the children were being cared for properly and whether they had been in any way traumatised by the events of the past four months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html
Who, apart from the police, would be in a position to leak sensitive information about DNA to the media?  Who, within the PJ, do we know who has a very shaky understanding of the DNA results, as demonstrated in numerous interviews afterwards?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #213 on: March 15, 2018, 07:23:12 PM »
The source was close enough to reveal what the PJ thought... Who else thought there was a 100% match
We already know the PJ leaked, they admitted it themselves so why it should be considered unlikely that they leaked this information is really quite puzzling.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2018, 07:24:07 PM »
But we are not allowed to use reason to state that they did this to build up a perception of the McCanns as the guilty parties, in order to put pressure on the couple to confess. We must say there were leaks but who knows why IMO the police leaked?  Incompetence?  Greed?  Malice?  Take your pick!

Just make it clear that it's your opinion. Unless you can prove that it was a deliberate strategy used by the PJ? Unless you can, it could a) be someone other than a police officer and b) be due to any of the motives you have listed.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2018, 07:28:16 PM »
You have just told me it's not proof the PJ were leaking yet you cannot come up with an alternative  source.. So it's, proof
The debate was not about Martin Brunt, nor whether the PJ was leaking.  You appear to be deflecting.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #217 on: March 15, 2018, 07:30:15 PM »
Just make it clear that it's your opinion. Unless you can prove that it was a deliberate strategy used by the PJ? Unless you can, it could a) be someone other than a police officer and b) be due to any of the motives you have listed.

The fact that the claim to a complete match was pretty well identical to what Amaral. claimed is proof the leak came from the PJ... Unless you can come up with a realistic source to counter my claim
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #218 on: March 15, 2018, 07:31:04 PM »
The debate was not about Martin Brunt, nor whether the PJ was leaking.  You appear to be deflecting.

In this fast moving forum the topic of debate evolves...so do you deny the PJ were leaking
« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 07:35:27 PM by Davel »

Offline G-Unit

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2018, 07:34:05 PM »
The source was close enough to reveal what the PJ thought... Who else thought there was a 100% match

Do you have a cite that the PJ thought there was a 100% match?
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Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2018, 07:39:43 PM »
The fact that the claim to a complete match was pretty well identical to what Amaral claimed is proof the leak came from the PJ... Unless you can come up with a realistic source to counter my claim

Cite?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #221 on: March 15, 2018, 07:56:13 PM »
Do you have a cite that the PJ thought there was a 100% match?

DNA tests on samples taken from the car proved inconclusive, but the Portuguese police wrongly told journalists they were a “100 per cent match” for Madeleine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #222 on: March 15, 2018, 07:59:40 PM »
Cite?

As for the second case, after an explanation about the DNA components in Madeleine's genetic profile, it concludes that 15 out of 19 markers in Madeleine's profile are present in the sample examined. Only 4 short of 100% reliability.

from his book...amaral talking of near 100% reliability

and

According to the files, Mr McCann was told on September 7 that Madeleine's DNA was discovered in the boot of the rented Renault Scenic, and behind a sofa in the family's holiday apartment.

"Confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was gathered from behind the sofa and from the boot of the vehicle, and analysed by a British laboratory, he said he could not explain why this would be," the officer wrote.
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Offline Carana

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #223 on: March 15, 2018, 08:03:19 PM »
'Sources close to the case' ' a source close to the Portuguese investigation'. Not close enough to 'leak' the truth, it seems;

A sample that was a full match to Madeleine's DNA was allegedly found on the windowsill of the McCanns' apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

I wonder who told them this?

Social workers were expected to visit the family home in the village of Rothley this week to assess whether the children were being cared for properly and whether they had been in any way traumatised by the events of the past four months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1562710/Madeleine-McCann-DNA-an-accurate-match.html

The DNA bit sounds like a mangled version of the 3A swab results.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Simple Question.
« Reply #224 on: March 15, 2018, 08:29:04 PM »
Just make it clear that it's your opinion. Unless you can prove that it was a deliberate strategy used by the PJ? Unless you can, it could a) be someone other than a police officer and b) be due to any of the motives you have listed.
IMO the fact that there was no interest on the part of the PJ in trying to establish who was doing the leaking tells me all I need to know, coupled with the verbatim admission from the head of the PJ that they were leaking - it very much stands to reason IMO that it WAS leaked by the police IMO.  As for their motives: malice, incompetence, greed or all three, it does not paint a pretty picture of how the PJ behaved towards the family of a missing child IMO. 
« Last Edit: March 16, 2018, 09:03:19 AM by Angelo222 »
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