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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2018, 06:43:35 PM »
Why would they be?
Did the supermarket staff have contact with the kids when the parents went shopping for food and other items?  They interviewed the restaurant staff yet they had virtually no contact with the McCann other that the first night and the first breakfast next morning.  Yet the visits to the supermarket seems more like a daily affair.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 06:50:48 PM »
Did the supermarket staff have contact with the kids when the parents went shopping for food and other items?  They interviewed the restaurant staff yet they had virtually no contact with the McCann other that the first night and the first breakfast next morning.  Yet the visits to the supermarket seems more like a daily affair.

If you want to interview the entire population of PdL fine.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 06:59:09 PM »
If you want to interview the entire population of PdL fine.
I was looking to see the reason the PJ spent an enormous amount of time interviewing staff who had absolutely no contact with the McCanns yet didn't interview the staff at the supermarket where the McCanns bought items on a daily basis.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 07:39:05 PM »
SiL confirms the walk to the Millennium would be hazardous.  https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2017/03/06/madeleine-v-the-double-buggy/
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 08:03:49 PM »
SiL confirms the walk to the Millennium would be hazardous.  https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2017/03/06/madeleine-v-the-double-buggy/

It wasn't hazardous in particular.  It was just a long way with three small children.

Why should this be even remotely peculiar?

Could we at least have a bit of common bleeding sense.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 08:09:41 PM »
It wasn't hazardous in particular.  It was just a long way with three small children.

Why should this be even remotely peculiar?

Could we at least have a bit of common bleeding sense.
I described it before, with the twins going off in different directions and Madeleine doing her own thing walking the kids along a foot path with cars parked on the curb so you had to walk around them onto a busy road was definitely hazardous.  And they had to cross this busy road too.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 08:14:15 PM »
I described it before, with the twins going off in different directions and Madeleine doing her own thing walking the kids along a foot path with cars parked on the curb so you had to walk around them onto a busy road was definitely hazardous.  And they had to cross this busy road too.

Rob, I love you to death, but please don't make it up as you go along.  I could get quite cross if you continue to do this.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2018, 08:16:57 PM »
Rob, I love you to death, but please don't make it up as you go along.  I could get quite cross if you continue to do this.
Read the file!  What I said is the picture from reading the file.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 08:33:24 PM »
Read the file!  What I said is the picture from reading the file.

I now require a Cite.  Or if you don't have one, I will be Deleting.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 09:04:58 PM »
I now require a Cite.  Or if you don't have one, I will be Deleting.
I had already copied all the cites from the Tapas 7 describing the troubles they had bringing the kids to the Millennium  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9249.msg450986#msg450986

There isn't one cite detailing all the troubles but if you add them up you can come up with "the twins going off in different directions and Madeleine doing her own thing walking the kids along a foot path with cars parked on the curb so you had to walk around them onto a busy road was definitely hazardous.  And they had to cross this busy road too."


I have highlighted all the relevant passages in red. on post  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9249.msg450986#msg450986
 The distance is emphasised as well.
It was my impression "obstructions on the pavement " were cars parked on the footpath.  like this.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2018, 09:51:37 PM »
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Offline Carana

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2018, 08:42:33 AM »
I was looking to see the reason the PJ spent an enormous amount of time interviewing staff who had absolutely no contact with the McCanns yet didn't interview the staff at the supermarket where the McCanns bought items on a daily basis.

Fair question, although I haven't double-checked to see if any of the supermarket staff were interviewed or not.

Offline Carana

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2018, 08:49:42 AM »
If you want to interview the entire population of PdL fine.

I can see Rob's point on this one, although I doubt that supermarket staff would pay much attention to anyone in the shop unless something unusual had happened.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2018, 10:18:05 AM »
I can see Rob's point on this one, although I doubt that supermarket staff would pay much attention to anyone in the shop unless something unusual had happened.
How do we know that Tannerman or Smithman was not an employee at the supermarket?  What I don't get at the moment is how does all this witness statement taking actually identifies a perpetrator?  The PJ could go into the supermarket with a photo of Kate McCann and ask "did you serve this woman?" Did she have her kids with her?  The McCanns may have had checkout receipts so the PJ could have some way of double checking truthfulness.  It is so close to the apartments if some male or couple even had designs on taking Madeleine they could just about keep an eye on the McCanns from the supermarket.  Apparently the PJ considered whether it was possible to spy on the McCanns from the unit next door, not sure which side though.  Something to assess when I get there I suppose.

Currently I think all the witness statements are designed just to build a case against the McCanns.
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Offline Carana

Re: Why did the PJ interview 25 staff from the Millenium restaurant?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2018, 10:51:41 AM »
How do we know that Tannerman or Smithman was not an employee at the supermarket?  What I don't get at the moment is how does all this witness statement taking actually identifies a perpetrator?  The PJ could go into the supermarket with a photo of Kate McCann and ask "did you serve this woman?" Did she have her kids with her?  The McCanns may have had checkout receipts so the PJ could have some way of double checking truthfulness.  It is so close to the apartments if some male or couple even had designs on taking Madeleine they could just about keep an eye on the McCanns from the supermarket.  Apparently the PJ considered whether it was possible to spy on the McCanns from the unit next door, not sure which side though.  Something to assess when I get there I suppose.

Currently I think all the witness statements are designed just to build a case against the McCanns.


I don't, in fact.

The first round of statements, IMO, was just an attempt at getting some potentially useful information within the shortest time possible in the light of an emergency situation, with officers who may have never had that kind of situation to deal with and, I suspect, whoever they found at short notice available to interpret.

I find that understandable.

What I find less understandable is why some don't make any allowances for potential misunderstandings in that chaotic period.

My impression is that the first statements read like an adaptation of a burglary claim, as opposed to even a semblance of a cognitive interview. And that's not a criticism: AFAIK, there was no missing child protocol and the emergency was to try to find her ASAP.